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If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Targeted

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Obey, considered to be Wisconsin's liberal lion, may be too eager. The Republican governor has been in office for only eight weeks and state law requires that elected officials be in office for at least a year before being eligible for a recall.

Obey claims that despite the law, Walker should be recalled because his attempt to dismantle union protections for state workers is "abusive."

We will have to see how that one plays out. Meanwhile, Recall drives are currently taking place against 16 state Senators, in what appears to be the largest recall frenzy, on a state level, in American history. Both, Democratic and Republican activists, are taking part in the efforts. 8 of the targets are Republicans, and 8 are Democrats. The Republican Senators are those who support Walker, the the Democrats being targeted are among those who walked out. So, in a sense, you can say that the recall petition drives are a bi-partisan effort being carried out by partisans...... huh? :mrgreen:

The bar for conducting a recall in Wisconsin is high. The petitioners have only 60 days to obtain 25% of the total number of votes cast in the last gubernatorial race in each particular district where a recall is being attempted. After only a couple of days, 25% of the required number have been collected against one Republican, and 20% against another Republican. No numbers have been posted yet for the other Republicans, or for the Democrats, but the Democratic party is claiming that they have already reached 15% of their total goal, and say that efforts against all 8 of the Republicans being challenged are going to be successful.

Which brings me to the moral of this story. If you are elected, do what the people put you into office to do. If you overstep your authority, it is at your own peril. Walker had a mandate for fiscal responsibility, which I totally agree with. However, with the help of the infamous Koch Brothers, he turned that into waging a war on the collective bargaining rights of state employees, something that Wisconsin's population is overwhelmingly against. His transparent lies that busting the unions in Wisconsin was really about addressing the debt didn't fly with Wisconsinites either, who saw through his deception. He is now going to pay the ultimate political price, which will be the death of his political career. He can't blame the voters for that. He can only blame himself, and his radical agenda.

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Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

Insanity. LOL

How do they confirm that the signatures are real?
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

I don't understand the one-year recall rule. What if the person starts acting crazy after 3 months, or 6 months? Do people just say "Oh well I guess he can't be recalled" and let him continue?
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

I don't understand the one-year recall rule. What if the person starts acting crazy after 3 months, or 6 months? Do people just say "Oh well I guess he can't be recalled" and let him continue?

This is what Obey is addressing, and why he wants the Governor himself included in the recall, despite the short time he has been in office. This may end up in the courts. If it does, I predict that Walker will prevail, but it will only delay the inevitable. Walker's goose is eventually going to be cooked too.
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

As a critic of direct democracy, I don't support recall campaigns against any politician, Republican or Democrat, but these recall drives do appear to be creating the opportunity for compromise on the underlying issues which would be a good thing.
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

Meh. Their state, their rules. If they can legally recall Walker and want to do so, more power to 'em. But it's not going to end the state's fiscal crisis or give unions a free pass.
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

Meh, personally I'm done discussing this issue. Both sides are acting like babies that just had thier binky taken away.
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

Insanity. LOL

How do they confirm that the signatures are real?

The ACORN recall petition......never lies......
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Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

Insanity. LOL

How do they confirm that the signatures are real?

Why is it that whenever public opinion is shown to be against a personal opinion of someone, they find some way of arbitrarily dismissing it?
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

Just had a thought. If ALL of them are recalled, wouldn't they then have to send Arnold Schwarzenegger to Mars?
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

Here's hoping the majority of Citizens will see that what Scott Walker did was for the good of the State.
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

Recall them.... or kill them.

Capitol Chaos: Lawmakers Get Death Threats | Newsradio 620 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin News, Talk, Sports, Weather | Local Headlines

This is from an email sent to Wisconsin legislators showing how tolerant and serious they are about adopting a tone of civility in these political times.


Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your familes
will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks.
Please explain
to them that this is because if we get rid of you and your families then it
will save the rights of 300,000 people and also be able to close the deficit
that you have created. I hope you have a good time in hell. Read below for
more information on possible scenarios in which you will die.

WE want to make this perfectly clear. Because of your actions today and in
the past couple of weeks I and the group of people that are working with me
have decided that we've had enough. We feel that you and the people that
support the dictator have to die.
We have tried many other ways of dealing
with your corruption but you have taken things too far and we will not stand
for it any longer. So, this is how it's going to happen: I as well as many
others know where you and your family live, it's a matter of public records.
We have all planned to assult you by arriving at your house and putting a
nice little bullet in your head.
However, we decided that we wouldn't leave
it there. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the
message to you since you are so "high" on Koch and have decided that you are
now going to single handedly make this a dictatorship instead of a
demorcratic process. So we have also built several bombs that we have placed
in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent.

It'll be interesting to see who this person is when they catch them, and who they supposedly represent or it's just again, some lone nut. Nothing nationally about this is leaking out though.
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

You act as if death threats to lawmakers are something new or confined to one particular group.
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

You act as if death threats to lawmakers are something new or confined to one particular group.

No, I act as if death threats are now so common that they're ignored.
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

No, I act as if death threats are now so common that they're ignored.

as they should be. if someone makes such a threat, it should be handed off to law enforcement and otherwise ignored.
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

as they should be. if someone makes such a threat, it should be handed off to law enforcement and otherwise ignored.

No matter who makes them? Can I quote you on that and bookmark it for future reference?

And I'll disagree... I think death threats have to be publicized just like the NY Times publicized them and hundreds of other media outlets ran that same story, to show how intolerance is not something to be hidden away in a back room and ignored, but must be put out into the light where the public can see it and rightly, rebuke it. It's not acceptable no matter who does it, which means these incidents must gain public view.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/health/policy/25health.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/26/us/politics/26threat.html
Democrats face death threats and vandalism over healthcare reform bill | World news | guardian.co.uk
House Democrats Receive Threats After Health Vote (Correct) - Businessweek

I do agree this is a job for the police and the FBI to find the people responsible so they can have their day in court.
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

We will have to see how that one plays out. Meanwhile, Recall drives are currently taking place against 16 state Senators, in what appears to be the largest recall frenzy, on a state level, in American history. Both, Democratic and Republican activists, are taking part in the efforts. 8 of the targets are Republicans, and 8 are Democrats. The Republican Senators are those who support Walker, the the Democrats being targeted are among those who walked out. So, in a sense, you can say that the recall petition drives are a bi-partisan effort being carried out by partisans...... huh? :mrgreen:

The bar for conducting a recall in Wisconsin is high. The petitioners have only 60 days to obtain 25% of the total number of votes cast in the last gubernatorial race in each particular district where a recall is being attempted. After only a couple of days, 25% of the required number have been collected against one Republican, and 20% against another Republican. No numbers have been posted yet for the other Republicans, or for the Democrats, but the Democratic party is claiming that they have already reached 15% of their total goal, and say that efforts against all 8 of the Republicans being challenged are going to be successful.

Which brings me to the moral of this story. If you are elected, do what the people put you into office to do. If you overstep your authority, it is at your own peril. Walker had a mandate for fiscal responsibility, which I totally agree with. However, with the help of the infamous Koch Brothers, he turned that into waging a war on the collective bargaining rights of state employees, something that Wisconsin's population is overwhelmingly against. His transparent lies that busting the unions in Wisconsin was really about addressing the debt didn't fly with Wisconsinites either, who saw through his deception. He is now going to pay the ultimate political price, which will be the death of his political career. He can't blame the voters for that. He can only blame himself, and his radical agenda.

Article is here.


This is a pathetic liberal democrat tantrum. Waa evil repubwicans got wid of our unions we gonna make you pay.Waaaaaa! And if that don't work I am going to lay down on the ground and kick and scream waaa!!!
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

Insanity. LOL

How do they confirm that the signatures are real?


The same way they always do with recall petitions.

California did it, this should be a no-brainer for WI.
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

Here's hoping the majority of Citizens will see that what Scott Walker did was for the good of the State.

Yes, long term devastation to the public sector... very good. Never mind the overcrowded classrooms--who can get to school when there's only one snowplow in town

You far-righties don't think things through.

Meanwhile all the business get tax breaks, but who can shop when no one clears the snow???

That Gov was played by the Koch brothers. He's just a tiny pawn in the bigger game.
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

This is a pathetic liberal democrat tantrum. Waa evil repubwicans got wid of our unions we gonna make you pay.Waaaaaa! And if that don't work I am going to lay down on the ground and kick and scream waaa!!!

Proves the cliche: Elections have consequences. As much as revisionist history wants to win, Walker ran on this platform and he's followed through. Can't fault him for that. If there's enough people who can and formally recall elected members of the State, then so be it. It's the people's right to do that.
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

danarhea, I think you are way jumping the gun on your conclusions but if you are right you will look like a genius. Your premise about how upset Wisconsonites are about Walker are exaggerated. Remember, he was voted into office by Conservatives. Most of the noise and vitriol thrown at him is from people who didn't vote for him and a lot of outside influences from unions and the media. I predict he will weather the recall storm and that his re-election next time around will be based primarily on how the economy is going. Nobody will care about this drama going on now. I wouldn't doubt that the Dems will outwork the Republicans on getting those recall signatures. That kind of thing is right up their alley. They dig the activism thing and they are very poor losers.
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

Tea Party people get energized and vote in a bunch of conservatives. Liberals get energized and recall a bunch of conservatives.

“No blame.” — I Ching
 
Re: If You Can't Beat 'em, Recall' Em: Gov. Scott Walker, Bipartisan Lawmakers Target

Tea Party people get energized and vote in a bunch of conservatives. Liberals get energized and recall a bunch of conservatives.

“No blame.” — I Ching

The people of Wisconsin kicked the Dems out on their asses and now they're going to turn around a few months later and welcome them with open arms? I just don't see that happening.
 
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