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    Re: England 'healthier than the US

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    Re: England 'healthier than the US

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    It's amazing the mental gymnastics conservatives will do so that they can avoid the truth that socialized medicine has already proven that it can out perform privatized medicine.
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    Re: England 'healthier than the US

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Hhmm…I wonder why this is?

    <People living in England enjoy better health than Americans, despite less investment in healthcare, research published in the US has revealed.>


    <Despite the greater use of health care technology in the US, Americans receive less preventive health care than their English counterparts.>

    <They have fewer physician consultations per year. >

    < Public health experts suggested more generous holiday entitlements and more favourable working conditions in the UK might also play a part.>

    BBC News - England &#039;healthier than the US&#039;
    Not mentioned is the fact of the waiting lists for health care services. Sounds like the people of England are just like the people of the United States....its not worth the effort to attempt to see a physician for any MINOR health problem and the only ones visiting the physicians are ones with urgent care problems or chronic conditions. The same stats would show up here....If the US had such a system in place instead of the one that is in place now where one can simply pick up a phone, make an appointment and see the Physician at the convenience of the patient or SHOP AROUND until the services wanted are found, OR sometimes just jump in your car and go to the local ER, for anything from a nose bleed to a simple cold....SIMPLY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOT GETTING TREATED WHILE LEAVING A PAPER TRAIL DOES NOT PRECLUDE THOSE CONDITIONS FROM EXISTING.

    To the contrary, I would suggest that what this does show is the superior flexibility of the current US SYSTEM in being able to treat EVERYONE...even those with small everyday complaints. Such will not be the case in the future....and just like England..everyone will suddenly become healthier because they are not getting treated as often. WINK,WINK..........as the health care must be distributed and RATIONED....EVEN IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY.....cash, YOU MUST WAIT IN LINE.
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    Re: England 'healthier than the US

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    Re: England 'healthier than the US

    I live in a country with a national medical system. For basic health care access, Taiwan is FAR SUPERIOR to the United States. It is easy to see a doctor and it is much less expensive than in the United States. However, if I had a serious disease or condition that required state of the art medical equipment, I would rather be in the U.S. That isn't because Taiwanese doctors and surgeons aren't capable or skilled (on the contrary, I had a successful surgical procedure on my ankle that in the U.S. was not so successful -- but that wasn't cutting edge surgery) but because the assets in the system aren't the same as the U.S.
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    Re: England 'healthier than the US

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I live in a country with a national medical system. For basic health care access, Taiwan is FAR SUPERIOR to the United States. It is easy to see a doctor and it is much less expensive than in the United States. However, if I had a serious disease or condition that required state of the art medical equipment, I would rather be in the U.S. That isn't because Taiwanese doctors and surgeons aren't capable or skilled (on the contrary, I had a successful surgical procedure on my ankle that in the U.S. was not so successful -- but that wasn't cutting edge surgery) but because the assets in the system aren't the same as the U.S.
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    You and most people would rather be in the US in that case provided they could afford it.
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    Re: England 'healthier than the US

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I live in a country with a national medical system. For basic health care access, Taiwan is FAR SUPERIOR to the United States. It is easy to see a doctor and it is much less expensive than in the United States. However, if I had a serious disease or condition that required state of the art medical equipment, I would rather be in the U.S. That isn't because Taiwanese doctors and surgeons aren't capable or skilled (on the contrary, I had a successful surgical procedure on my ankle that in the U.S. was not so successful -- but that wasn't cutting edge surgery) but because the assets in the system aren't the same as the U.S.

    Ok, and that is a fair point. I think one reasonable solution is to offer more preventitive care, but for major procedures you must carry your own insurance. It's a start.

    But you hit on something I have long thought that people generally like their everyday care that they recieve, but the US are the innovators, we are the inventors, without our system that allows that type of risk v reward we would be without the innovations that the world relies on. Socialized medicine kills that.

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    Re: England 'healthier than the US

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, and that is a fair point. I think one reasonable solution is to offer more preventitive care, but for major procedures you must carry your own insurance. It's a start.

    But you hit on something I have long thought that people generally like their everyday care that they recieve, but the US are the innovators, we are the inventors, without our system that allows that type of risk v reward we would be without the innovations that the world relies on. Socialized medicine kills that.

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