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    Re: Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    They hide nothing. The bill was debated for over a year! Most of the original content remained intact compared to what was finally signed into law. How can I be so confident of that? Because I read the majority of both House bills - the original proposal and the final product. Both had trust funds (appx $5 billion if I remember the figure correctly) as the primary financial source for issuing health care credits and providing grant money to the states beginning in YR-1 (2014) thru YR-5 (2019). There's lots of spending associated with the final bill, but it's not like any of it was hidden. Congressmen/women just needed to take the time to read the darn thing. And don't repeat Nancy Pelosi's stupid comment, "You gotta pass it to know what's in it" absordity. Even I'd grant you hers was a stupid response to all the questions in opposition to the bill, but legislators in DC had a year to read it (or atleast have their interns provide them with summary statements that outline the bill in detail; that's done with EVERY bill in Congress).

    All Congresswoman Bachmann is doing is trying to drum up more resentment to the law while our economy is still fragile, Congress is still fighting over the budget and GOP states are slicing spending within their states every which way they can. In other words, she's blowing smoke because she knows the GOP can't repeal the health care law nor defund it because the funding is already in place writing into the law. To that, the Dems were smart! They learned from the failure of HillaryCare.
    Simply present one ARTICLE, ONE FILM CLIP where the debate centered on FUNDING the entire thing for a DECADE in ADVANCE. Should be easy enough......you cannot because that TEXT was not debated, it was deflected.

    And because THE DEBATE WAS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. But 28 out of the 50 states have found the ACT to be unconstitutional, a MAJORITY....and 2012, is coming up shortly. Funding will indeed will be a problem right after Nov 2012. Hell they cannot even fund THIS YEAR. Funny as Hell. I see PANIC.
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    Re: Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

    That's irrelevent. Fact remains, the entire Congress had time to read all proposals before the law was finally passed. A whole host of issues where discussed at each town hall meeting across the the country - taxes and their affect on businesses large and small, the deficit, Medicare cuts, etc., etc., etc. IMO, the GOP choose to focus on those hot-button issues they wanted to talk about in an effort to get the public so pissed off they've rally against the bill's passage - the exact same tactic that was used to thrawt HillaryCare - only this time many of the BS they espoused was rooted out as outright lies, i.e., "death panels".

    If the GOP really wanted to focus on spending and appropriations and such, they'd have made that front-and-center throughout the townhalls. But they didn't and now you have a Conservative Congresswoman suddenly waving around her poster board with a $105B figure on it as if the people she's addressing are in Kindergarden. I probably know more about the healthcare law than she does. Even I could have told her the initial figure in the trust fund was atleast $5B to start!

    Again, this is just a ploy by Bachmann to get people riled up as Congress and states are hashing out their budgets and talks continue to get heated over the deficit...nothing more.

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    Re: Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    So the main complaint is that now the Republicans can't cut finding for the Healthcare law like they intended to?

    Clever girl...
    I'll bet you won't think that when it is repubs that now will use this tactic to their advantage. Hypocrits. The fact that this now law, was pushed through without proper scrutiny, or that the appropiations process is now had itself end ran by demo's that knew that they would not get it funded had they left it up to lawful ways of proceedure, shows me that it is patently unconstitutional and will ultimately be abolished.

    The only thing I hope is that with the next try they come up with not Socialist quick fixes, or stop gaps, but rather real reform that actually addresses the underlying cost drivers of health care. This bill does little but create another entitlement for the recipent class.


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    Re: Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

    FACT CHECK - BACHMANN LIES AGAIN

    Bachmann said that "secretly, unbeknownst to members of Congress, over $105 billion was hidden in the Obamacare legislation." She’s right that there’s about $105 billion of already approved spending in the health care bill that may be difficult to rescind. But that does not mean that the process was secret. While the pre-approved spending provisions didn’t attract media attention, they were in the plain language of the bill and did not vary dramatically from past congressional practice. And the bill was made public before the vote. On balance, we rate Bachmann’s statement Barely True.
    The nitwits that voted this shameful woman in should apologize to the entire country.

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    Re: Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    FACT CHECK - BACHMANN LIES AGAIN






    The nitwits that voted this shameful woman in should apologize to the entire country.

    The entire process was indeed secret to an extent. Repubs locked out, Shell games with multiple bills, the American public never really knowing what was in it until mere hours before the vote. Yeah, that's a real open process you have there.

    "Nitwits" eh? Why don't you knock off the jackassery!


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    Re: Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I'll bet you won't think that when it is repubs that now will use this tactic to their advantage. Hypocrits. The fact that this now law, was pushed through without proper scrutiny, or that the appropiations process is now had itself end ran by demo's that knew that they would not get it funded had they left it up to lawful ways of proceedure, shows me that it is patently unconstitutional and will ultimately be abolished.

    The only thing I hope is that with the next try they come up with not Socialist quick fixes, or stop gaps, but rather real reform that actually addresses the underlying cost drivers of health care. This bill does little but create another entitlement for the recipent class.


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    That's nonsense j. It wasn't pushed any faster than any other bill. This didn't happen over night. People ahd as much time to read it as any other bill.

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    Re: Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    In short, too many adjectives, not enough facts.
    facts:

    medicare (which is massively expanded, by the way) is simultaneously CUT a half a tril

    another quarter T is double counted, says cbo

    the states are burdened with a quarter T, unfunded, via medicaid expansion, the ghetto of health care

    uva study famously cited by asa finds americans with NO INSURANCE fare better---lower costs, shorter stays, lesser mortality---than their neighbors whose primary pay status is medicaid---as you probably know, certainly should know if you're gonna do any talkin...

    the doc fix is unaccounted for, as you know, another quarter T

    doctors have been reluctant to take new medicare patients for years, now becoming critical

    as you know

    er costs in MA dramatically INCREASED

    sebelius EXEMPTED a thousand too bigs and the state of maine

    and, of course, there's the more than three quarters T of NEW TAXES, according to cbo

    ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

    Director's Blog Blog Archive Additional Information on CBOs Preliminary Analysis of H.R. 2

    Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

    ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/bu.../02health.html

    Senate passes 1-year doc fix - The Hill's Healthwatch

    Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

    Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

    and you want to debate, what was it again?

    facts?

    factoids?

    big picture?

    stay up

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    Re: Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The entire process was indeed secret to an extent.
    Sorry, the fact-checkers showed that to be a lie. Your girl's a liar. (but we knew that)

    And if you continue to spew the lie, then your a liar too.

    You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

    That fact that Bachmann thinks it was secret, shows how lame and incompetent her staff is.

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    Re: Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's nonsense j. It wasn't pushed any faster than any other bill. This didn't happen over night. People ahd as much time to read it as any other bill.
    Your post here is not only laughable, but it is a bold faced lie! It was indeed pushed through as fast as the demo's could do it, and although it didn't happen overnight, it was snuck in on Christmas eve when Americans were distracted with their families, and it was passed on a pure party line push! People didn't have enough time to read this monstrosity, hell it wasn't even posted online until I think the day before the vote. Now stop the lies please.


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    Re: Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    And don't repeat Nancy Pelosi's stupid comment, "You gotta pass it to know what's in it" absordity. Even I'd grant you hers was a stupid response to all the questions in opposition to the bill, but legislators in DC had a year to read it
    oh, no, friend, when the palsied speakeress sputtered that stupid admission, SHE didn't know all the crap contained in this bill

    i've followed this bill thru just about every headline it generated via msm and right wing sources for now 3 years---and ms bachmann's little chart on mtp was the first anyone in the media noted this hundred bil appropriation

    this hundred bil, a full tenth of a tril of SLUSH for the white house to dole out anyway it wants thru cabinet hhs, with no congressional ok---no, that was NEWS to david gregory, i saw it
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