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    Re: Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

    well...

    altho the msm have been all over obamacare's SLASHING of medicare by a full HALF TRILLION DOLLARS, the DOUBLE COUNTING of another QUARTER TRIL (according to cbo), the passage of the DOC FIX at another QUARTER TRIL off budget, the fact that doctors are ALREADY refusing to take on new medicare patients, the QUARTER TRIL burden placed on already BANKRUPT states in the form of MEDICAID expansion, the fact that ER COSTS actually INCREASE, the inclusion of more than THREE QUARTERS OF A TRIL of new TAXES (according to cbo)...

    Director's Blog Blog Archive Additional Information on CBOs Preliminary Analysis of H.R. 2

    Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

    ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/bu.../02health.html

    Senate passes 1-year doc fix - The Hill's Healthwatch

    Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

    Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

    the first most americans, including DAVID GREGORY, apparently, heard of this HUNDRED AND FIVE BILLION DOLLARS of appropriations occurred when ms bachmann, with her usual visual aids, went on mtp last sunday to tell us all about it

    of course, what would normal americans expect from a two thousand seven hundred page bill which must first be passed before we can all know what's in it

    most americans recall, for example, how ahab obama PROMISED us all repeatedly that he would work out his health care bill on CSPAN

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Api4fUziAnI

    he quite evidently LIED about that

    but what would an experienced electorate expect from a party that would CRAM a radical redrawing of ONE SIXTH of our economy via SENATE RECONCILIATION, mere days after the party was prepared to DEEM the damn thing

    so the hundred and five B's which cbo elmendorf naturally scored with all the other crap presented to him by the party in power were certainly not very well known to most americans before ms bachmann went public with em

    but the real problem with the appropriations is not so much its passage in the dark

    no, worse is the fact that the allocation of this TENTH OF A T is left to the DISCRETION of ms sebelius over at hhs, INDEPENDENT OF CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT

    Michele Bachmann Finds a $105 Billion Dollar Spending Bomb Hidden in Obamacare - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com

    and we've all seen the results of ms sebelius' judgement

    Number of healthcare reform law waivers climbs above 1,000 - The Hill's Healthwatch

    ME gets new exemption from health care overhaul

    why do so many want OUT?

    why does hhs keep LETTING EM GO?

    how do you EXPAND medicare and medicaid by millions while CUTTING their already overly relied upon FUNDING?

    why do so many "adults" spend so much time trying to score microscopic debate points vs anonymous personalities instead of looking at the big, multi trillion dollar picture?

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    Re: Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's all fine and dandy if you didn't have things like this 105 billion, and other things coming out now after the fact Joe. Look, If you want to play like everything is on the up and up because its your guy in the WH now, fine, I understand that. But let's have a little perspective here shall we?




    You can not tell me that there is a lot of dishonesty surrounding this crap.


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    J, it was always there for everyone to read. So nothing is just now coming up.

    And as for your source, I don't know it very well, but it doesn't seem like it's presenting the dicussion without some editing. Any chance it is misrepresenting the actual discussion?

    J, you want to believe wild ****, and you want to ignore lies on your side. Now, I can mimic you and say I understand that because it is your side. But, I prefer that we try and stay as factual as possible. The fact is this was in the budget and there for all to read. And there is no evidence to support your thug claims.

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    Damn what Idiots and devious bastards. There is no doubt the 105 Billion dollar funding is contained in the Health Care Act, the Progressives can do nothing but SPIN and pretend that Mrs. Bachmann is ACTING as if the COST was hidden from DEBATE. Hell even FACTCHECK demonstrates the COST is there in BLACK and WHITE. What Mrs. Bachmann is pointing out is the FACT that the "FUNDING" for those FUTURE COSTS are already appropriated in the BILL. THE ONLY BILL IN HISTORY were funding is locked in a decade in advance...attempting to make any future congresses voice MOOT in appropriating the money.

    The ONLY WAY to find the advance PRE FUNDING was to read the BILL in its entirety. Now the spin is that EVERYONE had a chance to read the BILL and in fact DID READ the bill during DEBATE. BULL**** LIES. The SPIN THEN was you must pass it to find out whats in it. But now....HELL, Everyone read it...that was COMMON KNOWLEDGE. When asked if they read it before they voted on it, the response was from the democrats, "...We have people for that....".

    Example:

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/54930
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    Re: Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

    First off, finding more statements made by those identifying as conservative or republican to be inaccurate is not an inherent sign of liberal bias.

    Politifact has been accused of a partisan bias by both sides of the aisle, the only real indicator in this day and age that a news source isn't biased. Plus, there have been some really popular big ones lately (death panels, outlawing fishing, health insurance for dogs, etc.) from the right since the healthcare debate began.

    Secondly, after reading the first post, anyone expecting an actual conversation about "news" here is kidding themselves. Same way they would be if the post was "What lying little deceptive cretins repub's are."

    In short, too many adjectives, not enough facts.
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    Re: Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    First off, finding more statements made by those identifying as conservative or republican to be inaccurate is not an inherent sign of liberal bias.

    Politifact has been accused of a partisan bias by both sides of the aisle, the only real indicator in this day and age that a news source isn't biased. Plus, there have been some really popular big ones lately (death panels, outlawing fishing, health insurance for dogs, etc.) from the right since the healthcare debate began.

    Secondly, after reading the first post, anyone expecting an actual conversation about "news" here is kidding themselves. Same way they would be if the post was "What lying little deceptive cretins repub's are."

    In short, too many adjectives, not enough facts.
    I would suggest FACT CHECK or THE BLAZE....the 105 Billion price tag has always been common knowledge, what has not been common knowledge because the drones in DC are to lazy to READ anything before they tow a party line...is the PRE FUNDING of that total COST. Hell, must you now ask WHO WROTE THIS BILL? Was it Congress? Hell NO. The entire thing was outsourced to a very progressive THINK TANK chaired by RADICAL LEFTIES and it was drafted MONTHS before any debate even began.
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    Re: Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    I would suggest FACT CHECK or THE BLAZE....the 105 Billion price tag has always been common knowledge, what has not been common knowledge because the drones in DC are to lazy to READ anything before they tow a party line...is the PRE FUNDING of that total COST.
    So the main complaint is that now the Republicans can't cut finding for the Healthcare law like they intended to?

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    Re: Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Holy crap... The healthcare bill spent money on healthcare?
    And Dems propose a misely $5B in budget cuts.
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    Re: Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

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    Re: Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    So the main complaint is that now the Republicans can't cut finding for the Healthcare law like they intended to?

    Clever girl...
    No...just the devious fashion in which it was WRITTEN (by an outsourced RADICAL "think tank" in NY CITY) hiding the PRE FUNDING in over two thousand pages of TEXT, NOT GIVING the appropriate time needed to COMPREHEND the entire bill...the bums rush in passing it by BUYING THE VOTES NEEDED to have a SIMPLE MAJORITY (DIRECTLY in contradiction to Article One Section Eight and its mandate of uniformity, i.e, NO Sweet heart deals for states like NEBRASKA and Louisiana) instead of the MANDATED 60 that is required by the Constitution in passing New LAW that effects the entire nation, JUST as the Barry pointed out...NO 50 Plus One votes on health. Oops? Now the spin is that EVERYONE read the PRE FUNDING mandates, its common knowledge (more lies)...actually its the FIRST BILL in US HISTORY were any program has been prefunded for the next decade to come. Want more devious actions? The history actual was less than a few months ago. Now 28 of the 50 States find the Act unconstitutional....DA! as Homer says. Question? Why must Congress have a budget to pass EVERY YEAR in the first place if its ETHICAL to simply FUND the entire thing when its signed into law...why not just give the Executive Office the purse strings as this President has taken them away from Congress?
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    Re: Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    To the libs in here thinking they are funny or something....This is serious business, Obama, Pelosi, and Reid hid appropriations in this law that are illegal, and bypass the legal channels to fund their crap plan. So instead of the usual attacking of the person telling us about what is to be discussed ie: Bachmann can you snarky little libs talk about the 105 billion, you know the actual topic of the thread?


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    They hid nothing. The bill was debated for over a year! Most of the original content remained intact compared to what was finally signed into law. How can I be so confident of that? Because I read the majority of both House bills - the original proposal and the final product. Both had trust funds (appx $5 billion if I remember the figure correctly) as the primary financial source for issuing health care credits and providing grant money to the states beginning in YR-1 (2014) thru YR-5 (2019). There's lots of spending associated with the final bill, but it's not like any of it was hidden. Congressmen/women just needed to take the time to read the darn thing. And don't repeat Nancy Pelosi's stupid comment, "You gotta pass it to know what's in it" absordity. Even I'd grant you hers was a stupid response to all the questions in opposition to the bill, but legislators in DC had a year to read it (or atleast have their interns provide them with summary statements that outline the bill in detail; that's done with EVERY bill in Congress).

    All Congresswoman Bachmann is doing is trying to drum up more resentment to the law while our economy is still fragile, Congress is still fighting over the budget and GOP states are slicing spending within their states every which way they can. In other words, she's blowing smoke because she knows the GOP can't repeal the health care law nor defund it because the funding is already in place writing into the law. To that, the Dems were smart! They learned from the failure of HillaryCare.
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