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    Re: NPR chief executive quits over hidden camera video

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    As I have asked you before, is he not entitled to have his own political beliefs separate from the entity he works for? How does the beliefs of one person change the beliefs of an organization?
    First, he was representing NPR at that meeting and wasn't there as a private citizen...

    Second, in my opinion, he had to know that what he was saying wouldn't be a big deal to his superiors should it get back to them...

    Third, after the Williams firing NPR was widely condemned from both sides of the isle, and based on the fact that other NPR journalists had engaged in the same independent, personal opinion speech on other networks throughout the years without repercussions, suggested his firing was based on NPR managements' dislike for Fox News (aka, conservative media and opinion) and not on anything Williams said. It was obvious based on their actions, their programming and what Williams, a self described liberal democrat, divulged about the political leanings of the organization, that NPR did have a political bias/agenda...

    When you combine this tape with the Williams firing and years of liberal bias accusations, it not only jeopardized NPR's public funding, but it also jeopardized their 501c non-profit, tax exempt status with the IRS, so they had to fire the executive and the head honcho to try and convince the public that they weren't politically biased, and wouldn't tolerate anyone who embraces such a partisan perspective.

    So, to answer your question... Yes, he's entitled to his own political beliefs, but he's not entitled to express such highly partisan and derogatory political opinions, as a representative of a non-partisan, publicly funded media organization.


    And if NPR didn't receive government money no one would have lost their jobs? What?
    If this would have been a "for profit" commercial media outlet like CBS or CNN, his words wouldn't have jeopardized the network financially, or discredited the objectivity of the network any more than they already are... Therefore, the likelihood is nobody would have been fired, especially since the man wasn't even a journalist.

    You really don't get this, do you?

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    Re: NPR chief executive quits over hidden camera video

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Now that's a decent point that I would concede to. Ethically it would be inappropriate for him to discuss his own political views with potential donors.
    It may or may not be unethical for him to talk about politics at work I don't know.

    If his opinion was Conservatives and the Tea Party are wrong on 0bamacare, or that the Stimulus worked, I don't think we'd be discussing him or his opinions right now.

    It's the ridiculous nature of his comments that has brought attention upon himself and rightly so. If he wasn't a lefty loon there would be no story and O'keefe would have wasted a lot of time setting this thing up. I wonder if O'keefe knew beforehand that he would get these types of comments from this guy?
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    Re: NPR chief executive quits over hidden camera video

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    If you don't think NPR is bias then OK. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

    Juan Williams is a perfect example of liberal bias over at NPR.
    I didn't say that NPR isn't biased (In fact I said it leaned liberal a few posts back, but I believe any news organization inherently possesses bias), only that their journalistic excellence is still intact. What happened at the management level with Williams and Schiller are unrelated to how well NPR actually does its reporting.

    And for the record, I was totally against the Williams firing and how they handled it, but afterwards he DID come back on NPR shows in order to give his side of the story, and I feel for him. I think they should have had a healthy debate before they decided to whether or not to fire him. None of this takes away from the fact that I personally believe Williams' comments to have been stupid, or that Williams himself is still a liberal.

    As an organization, NPR itself is not above self-criticism, which I find to be extremely rare among news organizations. On the drive to school this morning, I was listening to their morning show and they had a healthy debate about the things that Ron Schiller said and Vivian Schiller's resignation.
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    Re: NPR chief executive quits over hidden camera video

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I didn't say that NPR isn't biased (In fact I said it leaned liberal a few posts back, but I believe any news organization inherently possesses bias), only that their journalistic excellence is still intact. What happened at the management level with Williams and Schiller are unrelated to how well NPR actually does its reporting.

    And for the record, I was totally against the Williams firing and how they handled it, but afterwards he DID come back on NPR shows in order to give his side of the story, and I feel for him. I think they should have had a healthy debate before they decided to whether or not to fire him. None of this takes away from the fact that I personally believe Williams' comments to have been stupid, or that Williams himself is still a liberal.

    As an organization, NPR itself is not above self-criticism, which I find to be extremely rare among news organizations. On the drive to school this morning, I was listening to their morning show and they had a healthy debate about the things that Ron Schiller said and Vivian Schiller's resignation.
    Fair enough SB75.
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    Re: NPR chief executive quits over hidden camera video

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Fair enough SB75.
    Thanks Ron, I try to be as fair as possible. I call a spade a spade, and I criticize when it's warranted and give credit where it's due. I think most people on this forum recognize the fact that I always make an effort to be fair and not be hypocritical, despite the fact that I'm a solid liberal and still have personal biases.

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    Re: NPR chief executive quits over hidden camera video

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Thanks Ron, I try to be as fair as possible. I call a spade a spade, and I criticize when it's warranted and give credit where it's due. I think most people on this forum recognize the fact that I always make an effort to be fair and not be hypocritical, despite the fact that I'm a solid liberal and still have personal biases.

    The only contention I have is that outlets like NPR are more than "slightly" bias, to think that they try and say they aren't I think leaves reasonable people to surmize that they openly lie to the public.

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    Re: NPR chief executive quits over hidden camera video

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The only contention I have is that outlets like NPR are more than "slightly" bias, to think that they try and say they aren't I think leaves reasonable people to surmize that they openly lie to the public.

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    According to audience approval-disapproval, NPR is probably about as nonpartisan as it gets when it comes to bias in major media outlets, outside of the WSJ.

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    Re: NPR chief executive quits over hidden camera video

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    ksu_aviator posted this in another thread



    According to audience approval-disapproval, NPR is probably about as nonpartisan as it gets when it comes to bias in major media outlets, outside of the WSJ.

    You know what I see there? I see that liberals love their outlets, and Repubs love thiers...But you know what is glaring? The only conservative outlet in any shape is FOX, ALL the others seem to have a liberal lean to one degree or another. But yet FOX must be silenced eh? Not saying you want to but this is what I see the mindset of our more radical members.

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    Re: NPR chief executive quits over hidden camera video

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You know what I see there? I see that liberals love their outlets, and Repubs love thiers...But you know what is glaring? The only conservative outlet in any shape is FOX, ALL the others seem to have a liberal lean to one degree or another. But yet FOX must be silenced eh? Not saying you want to but this is what I see the mindset of our more radical members.

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    The WSJ has a conservative lean yet is one of the most respected newspapers out there. All in all though, I think this is just more evidence about how unreliable in general cable news is. Now I personally think Fox does the public a disservice by advocating a certain agenda and a skewed narrative, but admittedly this could also apply to other news outlets in general. I don't support silencing or dismantling any of them, I only believe that people need to stick to news sources that are accurate, and are as faithful to reality as possible, more than anything else.

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    Re: NPR chief executive quits over hidden camera video

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The WSJ has a conservative lean yet is one of the most respected newspapers out there. All in all though, I think this is just more evidence about how unreliable in general cable news is. Now I personally think Fox does the public a disservice by advocating a certain agenda and a skewed narrative, but admittedly this could also apply to other news outlets in general. I don't support silencing or dismantling any of them, I only believe that people need to stick to news sources that are accurate, and are as faithful to reality as possible, more than anything else.
    I like the shotgun effect. In addition to FOXNews, I also watch MSNBC, LINK TV, And listen on XM to Patriot, XM LEFT, FoxNewsTalk, C-SPAN, and what ever I find interesting. But you'd think from some in here that I only listen to Rush, Hannity, and FOX. It should also be noted that although the WSJ is definately right leaning in their OP ED pages, their hard news comes just like any other outlet, from a liberal lean.


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