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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    First, that poll is on state, not national.
    Yes, it's state, but it sure doesn't look well for many of the GOP state senators where recall efforts going on now. And there will be a recall effort launched to unseat Gov. Walker in January. Also, collective barganing is not quite the partisan issue you think it is; there are Republican/conservatives who are members of unions and didn't know this was on Walkers list. Stay tuned.

    Second, perhaps you could point to the part of this poll that shows 'American non-union workers do not despise American union workers', since that is what you claimed the polls all show.

    I guess finding a poll to actually back up the specific thing you claim is too much effort, huh.
    Show me where non-worked despise union workers. That claim by doctorhugo, is the opinion that needs to be backed up.


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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    This thread isn't about Glenn Beck anymore, is it?


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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    PBS had an entire show dedicated toward the Neoconservative viewpoint for many many years. In the mainstream media, that is quite the rarity.
    We don't mind Republicans, but Beck and Hannity aren't your Daddys GOP, their fascists.

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    We don't mind Republicans, but Beck and Hannity aren't your Daddys GOP, their fascists.
    Their fascist what ... ?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Their fascist what ... ?
    LOL! Don't mind Kane. He just can't spell!

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    LOL....feel free to prove this.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    We don't mind Republicans, but Beck and Hannity aren't your Daddys GOP, their fascists.
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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Nope. I'm talking about "persuasion", propaganda. The output of the PR industry.

    This is science, not punditry. There are feelings about things, opinions, beliefs, in ALL of our heads that were placed there by professionals, paid for by those who benefit from these ideas being there.

    Some people can tell truth from propaganda, at least most of the time. Some of these tricks are so powerful NO ONE is immune. But most people are totally unaware these tools exist, much less that every political message anyone hears is devised by people conversant in this science.

    I'm not challenging anyone's right to advocate and vote their own self interest. If you work in the oil industry, for instance, I won't challenge you supporting the industry your livelihood depends on. I might encourage you to look at your industry in a different light, but I won't "judge" you.

    I feel that "persuasion", in all it's forms, is far more dangerous to our democracy than ANYTHING else facing us. Because the PR industry and its output obscures and confuses EVERYTHING in our national discourse.

    Hell, the info on the site in my signature would make it easy to point out LIBERAL propaganda. I encourage you to do so. But more importantly, educate yourself about this.

    I promise you will be better off if you do.
    I would think that with liberal outlets outnumbering conservative ones at least in print, and broadcast, by a factor of 10-1 that the spin would decidedly be liberal.

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    We don't mind Republicans, but Beck and Hannity aren't your Daddys GOP, their fascists.
    Wattenberg is a Democrat.....
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Recent polls show you are wrong.
    Polls are the opinions of 'selected' groups of people who are selected by the polling company. For that very reason this back and forth debate about what polls show is misleading and only serves a simple-minded agenda of ditarction from the real truths. Their the carefully crafted "finger-in-the-wind" barometers engineered for politicians who are gutless and will never be statesmen. Poll outcomes can be steered simply by a careful question phrasing that imparts subliminal suggestion to the question. Then, submitted to a few hundred selected opinion givers an outcome is a foregone conclusion. In short, polls as truth are useless! Most polls are taken by politically prejudiced entities today, because that's the real state of things in this country, diametrically prejudiced to a fault. Opinions you see in online forums are, after you cull out the simple trolling agitators, representative of those views in this country. People who don't get active as we do have MUCH LESS understanding of what is actually happening around them politically and sadly care little..., in my opinion. They are to a great degree, which I won't quantify by % because I have no idea, totally uninterested and uninformed being preoccupied with their little personal day-to-day existences and whatever fuels their mental and psychological engines. Most parrot opinons common to their social groups and if challenged haven't a clue how to respond, because they have no in-depth interest or knowledge. These are the true "sheeple" who can be easily led and influenced. Many are not so and simply not interested in political confrontations. I speak from personal experience as I don't just engage politically online. To this point I've taken care to NOT give a political, one-sided opinion. It holds for BOTH sides as THE TRUTH.

    I'll give you an example now of the left in action. I subscribe to what I call "the propaganda of the enemy camp" meaning the left or, for me, the insurrectionist left. Right there I define myself in this case, wherein I observe one subliminal suggestive that I'll point out after this quoted post. It's a newsletter from democrats.com, an information arm of the progressive left, headed by one Bob Fertik, whose beliefs can easily be researched by anyone.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------




    Dear ,

    Last weekend, tens of thousands of us rallied in New York City and around the nation. We demonstrated our solidarity with workers in Wisconsin and around the nation who are under attack by Tea Party Republicans like Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker.

    Step by step, we're creating a powerful grassroots response to the Tea Party: a Job Party.

    On Tuesday, we're joining with Moveon again to rally across the nation. Will you join us after work?

    Sign up to join your local rally here.

    Scott Walker isn't backing down. When Wisconsin Democrats bravely refused to surrender, Republicans crammed their union-busting bill through, breaking laws in the process.

    And in Michigan, Republicans passed an "Emergency Manager" law to let Gov. Rick Snyder appoint virtual dictators to rule struggling towns by breaking unions and selling local utilities.

    These two actions are being called the "Ash Wednesday Massacre" - not of people, but democracy. And so we absolutely must respond on Tuesday after work:

    Sign up to join your local rally here.


    Our Job Party movement is just beginning. On Wednesday March 16, we'll join Progressive Democrats of America in lunch-hour "Brown Bag Vigils" at local Congressional offices to demand Jobs not Cuts, Healthcare not Warfare, and Corporations Out of Politics.

    On Monday April 4, we'll join the AFL-CIO in "We Are One" rallies to mark the date in 1968 when Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated while helping Memphis sanitation workers form a union.

    And on Monday April 18, we'll mark "Tax Day" with Moveon by demanding an end to tax dodging by corporations and billionaires.

    I've been a progressive organizer my whole life, and I've never seen so much unity, passion, and determination. Workers, students, parents, the unemployed, veterans, feminists, Democrats, and a true rainbow coalition are coming together to protect our basic economic rights.

    And we're not just on defense - we're organizing recall elections and building support for a 21st Century WPA.

    So let's hit the streets, make new friends, broaden our coalition, and increase our demands for change - because our economic and political survival is at stake.

    Thanks for all you do!

    Bob, Charles, Corinne, Diane, Harry, Jonathan, and Justin and the rest of the team

    P.S. if you'd like to help us build the Job Party, please visit our new web site:
    Job Party: because America needs 15 million jobs NOW
    or "like" us on Facebook:
    Job Party | Facebook
    or follow us on Twitter:
    Job Party (JobParty) on Twitter

    p.p.s. Please share your thoughts in our new blog:
    On Tuesday, Let's Stand Up to Tea Party Republicans | Democrats.com
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    You'll note the big banner proclaiming USA Job Party WPA 21st century and in the text the reference to "we'll join Progressive Democrats of America ". Carefully avoided is pointedly telling you what the WPA means. That should be the first subliminal clue of ulterior motivation. It is, I BELIEVE,, the Workers Party of America, a new entity to rally the PDA and socialists(DSA, Soialist Party, et al) and Marxists and Communists under one banner to give the appearance of being what the Tea Party actually was and is. A true grassroots advocacy with NO central leadership origins, but spread from a single idea. Fertik's group seek to CONSTANTLY bombard us with the suggestion that the Tea Party is a "Republican" entity. Any "fair-minded " observer knows that is a lie, but Fertik needs to do that to justify getting new people to affiliate with his crowd who are NOT a Tea Party 'natural grassroots endeavor' equivalent, but what I stated they are here. Poseurs of a similar origin who are man-made by Fertik, and intent on a calculated insurrection to change our system of governance and by extension America. They try to hide it though so we can't so easily identify that motivation. Those scattered amongst the Tea Party ranks hold up whatever signs they want by whomever happens to attend (without internal censure and guidance) they are very different. Have Repubs affiliated with it. Of course, just like demonRATic left affiliates with this 'man-made', staged attempt they see as useful to their beliefs and cause.

    The Tea Party is an overview of those disparate groups, trying to organize to some semblance of common unity to give them common voice. It is the most honest grassroots endeavor ever in this country since the original Tea Party. Palin didn't start it. Bachmann didn't start it. Rush didn't start it. Hannity didn't start it. No single political entity did. Do they take advantage of it. You bet your ass they do and why not! No doubt this post comment will be followed by leftist barbs posting hate sign and hate videos alleged to have been taken at Tea Party gatherings and some may be and some may not be. Way far-out and race- based fringe groups inhabit BOTH left and right to get attention. Some may also be set-ups by the left to disparage the Tea Party, which have been documented in the past. Point being, that nobody walks about censuring or whispering in the ears of those participating at the assorted Tea Party gatherings telling them what to do and what not to do. It's Grandma and grandpa and Mom and Pop and sometimes the kids out celebrating what America is really all about. The left attempt is the opposite as this newsletter proves and they deeply strategize any of their efforts to FOLLOW A PLAN.
    It's the same with Beck as the left has mounted the same vicious assault upon him as they did with Palin and the Tea Party. Hate is their name and spreading it far and wide is their game.

    In short, take some time to inform yourself to BOTH views BEFORE posting about this comment of mine. This logo This one is that being espoused by Fertik. It's all dressed up as the 21st century version of FDR's WPA. A great and simple opposing analysis of this may be found here.

    My guess is that similarity is a setup and if he can get the progressives and other disparate radicals attention and unified them it will magically morph into the Workers Party of America to seduce non-union American workers to the socialist bent of the current corruption of "private" and "public" unions secured in a what's in it for me attitude ONLY. Separate the working class as a class and set them up as a class against the wealthy and wealth producers as their natural enemies to bring down this system. It's what Obama is all about. It's why he won't enact REAL spending cuts. NOw even some mainstream dems see the insanity of his position and are breaking awy from him. America is Obama's Titanic and he knows just where he's navigating us to, but some of the crew senses that and is starting to mutiny.
    "Ignorance confuses. Knowledge mediates. Truth resolves." (doctorhugo)

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    I'll not stand with PROGRESSIVES on any level. They've ruined our Nation, our Families, our Faith and our Hearts. I hate what they stand for and where they seek to take us. Period. Point blank. The end.

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