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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do you believe that people are smart enough to watch current events and put 2 and 2 together, or must everyone be "told" what to think? Or better yet are you one who believes that it is only the right whom is led by pundits? Maybe some serious projection going on here.


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    Nope. I'm talking about "persuasion", propaganda. The output of the PR industry.

    This is science, not punditry. There are feelings about things, opinions, beliefs, in ALL of our heads that were placed there by professionals, paid for by those who benefit from these ideas being there.

    Some people can tell truth from propaganda, at least most of the time. Some of these tricks are so powerful NO ONE is immune. But most people are totally unaware these tools exist, much less that every political message anyone hears is devised by people conversant in this science.

    I'm not challenging anyone's right to advocate and vote their own self interest. If you work in the oil industry, for instance, I won't challenge you supporting the industry your livelihood depends on. I might encourage you to look at your industry in a different light, but I won't "judge" you.

    I feel that "persuasion", in all it's forms, is far more dangerous to our democracy than ANYTHING else facing us. Because the PR industry and its output obscures and confuses EVERYTHING in our national discourse.

    Hell, the info on the site in my signature would make it easy to point out LIBERAL propaganda. I encourage you to do so. But more importantly, educate yourself about this.

    I promise you will be better off if you do.
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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Nope. I'm talking about "persuasion", propaganda. The output of the PR industry.

    This is science, not punditry. There are feelings about things, opinions, beliefs, in ALL of our heads that were placed there by professionals, paid for by those who benefit from these ideas being there.

    Some people can tell truth from propaganda, at least most of the time. Some of these tricks are so powerful NO ONE is immune. But most people are totally unaware these tools exist, much less that every political message anyone hears is devised by people conversant in this science.

    I'm not challenging anyone's right to advocate and vote their own self interest. If you work in the oil industry, for instance, I won't challenge you supporting the industry your livelihood depends on. I might encourage you to look at your industry in a different light, but I won't "judge" you.

    I feel that "persuasion", in all it's forms, is far more dangerous to our democracy than ANYTHING else facing us. Because the PR industry and its output obscures and confuses EVERYTHING in our national discourse.

    Hell, the info on the site in my signature would make it easy to point out LIBERAL propaganda. I encourage you to do so. But more importantly, educate yourself about this.

    I promise you will be better off if you do.
    Thanks for the link. I'm going to explore that site.

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Which liberal push polls are you citing? Rember to show the internals when you back up your statement here...


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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    All I have to say about this:
    Quote Originally Posted by doctorhugo View Post
    What's your problem? Do you always go to topic threads and change the subject whenever you want?
    What if...? you open your own challenge thread.
    In light of all this:
    Quote Originally Posted by doctorhugo View Post
    Y'know mister jetboogieman you appear to have that flawed perspective common to liberals who think that despite the record of history, they know better...that they know everything better. To even suggest that there has been and is no socialist/communist threat to this country since the 50s is to be in denial of reality and the very fact that there is a resident evil in man. That last comment shouldn't be minimized, because every generation has had it's tyrants whose names are written in the real history books. And the most insidious threat is the one from within, as it's often ignored

    Do you think that the CPUSA is a social club?
    Maybe you should give Chapter 19 a read, because you may be a victim of redacted/revisionist progressive education that got well cranked-up in the 60s. Much authoritative and respected opinion there, backed up by factual reality.
    Or that this bunch, right out of Obama's Chicago past, are just another political party?
    Or that Van Jones who became another casualty under Obama's political bus was a peace activist?
    Or that this bum is no threat to anybody or anything?
    And then there's the Nudge strategist Cass Sunstein who has this distorted view of the Second Amendment and accurately predicted his view would be overturned later, which happened in the DC Circuit Court of Appeals on 3/9/2007. That didn't stop him from participating in this puffball questioning laffer with notorious RINO Susan Collins ochestrated so he could loudly exclaim that he is a supporter of the Second Amendment, just NOT of any original intent interpretation that gives people the right to use arms to defend themselves. No un-American attitudinal threat there, huh. You miss all the subtleties of those who would usurp our system.
    Or what about the most radical czar of all?

    I looked in your public "profile" to see if you listed your age so I could get a better sense of you, but I see you're rather shy about personal information. You have an understandable admiration for the imaginative appeal of the old Star Trek TV series and what and how it related to the then future and inter-galactic travel, etcetera. What about the past though? Are you in complete denial of that? I'm honestly trying to get a sense of where you are coming from.

    Why don't you make your case for that position I and others here consider outrageous. You took the position sugesting that our concerns were a joke, so now it's your responsibility to defend it...WITH FACTS!
    Quote Originally Posted by doctorhugo View Post
    Grow up, nobody is personally attacking you, so stop crying out for the moderators to help you. It's YOUR POSITIONS that are being attacked.



    You haven't made ANY case for them being non-threatening. I've posted about current administration people who are such sympathizers. I can post many more and at what point would you agree they pose a threat? When it's too late? It doesn't take a college graduate to understand how they work. Just read up on Ayers and Dohrn and others, they're classic. Violence and subversive rhetoric to separate the have nots from the haves in society and create class envy. And its working. That's the reason this nation was foolish to enough to elect a radical usurper whose only promise was a vacuous prattle of Hope and Change. Naivete will yet be the death of this sovereign constitutional republic. And don't waste your time on charges of paranoia either. The lesson of all the assaults on our freedoms for control and influence of an ever-growing national government by constitutionasl violations is here and now in 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011.



    You've yet to snap out of your Che malaise. Obama is a control freakazoid. His very appointments and actions since he's been President can demonstrate that. He initiated his getting control of the means of production and commerce with the stimulus, ramping-up the bad example of the less than intelligent Bush. His administation and close associates read like a Goldman-Sachs alumni meeting. He broke the law by trampling all over debtor's rights via bankruptcy law in his attempt to gain a foothold of control with the unions for the control of the auto industry. He grabbed control of the health industry with ObamaCare, the first law ever passed that we had to pass to learn what it contained. He got stopped on Cap and Trade and has already started using regulations/directives with the full force of law via his EPA, Commerce Dept and other entities to slowly exert control. He's openly recognized the current financial disaster(would you like me to "go to the videotape"?) and reacted by pushing for more spending and refusing to take any substantive commitment to reduce spending as we head for disaster. Call him what you will. He's a mix of all of those corrupt and proven failed Russian political theologies. All verifiable FACTS.



    I just made my case. You're still screaming and ranting! The "taking over" can only occur if more people start believing what you believe.



    [sarcasm]Okay everyone. Relax. Disarm. Unlock your doors. Invite a commie or marxist or leninist or nazi or terrorist over for a garden party. No sweat![/sarcasm]


    Says you. I say it's the Islamofundamentalist nutjob terrorists and their sympathizers here in the good old USofA. "Eternal Vigilance is the Responsibility of Freedom."
    Quote Originally Posted by doctorhugo View Post
    You keep saying that like when you suggested a "personal attack". The only serious issue I have is that when someone, anyone...posts rants like you do I call them on it. You've still failed to step up to the mark and only complain. In fact, you've posted that you are not an American. Does that mean you're not an American citizen, born here OR naturalized? I don't get why you think that's relevant, unless you honestly believe that NOT BEING an American gives you some kind of special status to take potshots whenever you want to and not justify anything you say with comments based in demonstrable fact. The only thing on your side is that this country hasn't YET been overthrown by radicals. As I suggested earlier, if most people had your dismissive attitude of perceived and real threats it would have already happened.
    Quote Originally Posted by doctorhugo View Post
    Fine Jetboogieman! You stay with your belief as a "Soldier of Hope" and I'll stay with mine. That "Hope" ain't workin' out too good is it! Your comments assume that people who want to change this very system of government are so stupid that they'll follow a plan that has historically resulted in eventual failure. That they'll announce their intentions and say...Get ready...Here we come. Oh sure...violent overthrow of the government that alienates the population. Here, though you choose to ignore that there is a seduction of the people by those seeking control. I've noted the divide and conquer strategy of class envy and pitting one group against the other. Do you think it's mere coincidence that American non-union workers now despise American union workers? You don't care, you're not an American. I cant do anything about that. You're so brazenly confident that all is just honky-dorey.

    Take a personal challenge and start with the Obama's parents and his dysfunctional paental upbringing and both parents political lineage, grandparents the same, all close associates in his formative yeas the same, his Chicago friends/associates the same. The same being all radicals of one stripe or another that are hostile to our form of government in America and OUR way of life. This bum Obama never associated with or knew any normal and contented, happy Americans. You read my other posts wherein I added enough link references to make my valid points and still you're in denial. You likely also see nothing unusual with this administration being in bed with the biggest unions and simultaneously speading about stimulus $$$s to all the corrupt Wall Street criminal element. The "useful fools". Just great.
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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    from your link

    What You Can Learn About Wisconsin Dispute from Differences in Poll Questions


    In recent national polling about the situation in Wisconsin, Rasmussen Reports and Quinnipiac found a slight plurality in favor of Governor Scott Walker and his efforts, the Pew Center found a plurality opposed, and Gallup and the New York Times reported strong opposition...

    Quinnipiac found a 45% to 42% national plurality in favor of the governor by asking, “In order to reduce state budget deficits, would you support or oppose limiting collective bargaining for public employees?” On the other hand, Pew found a 42% to 31% national plurality opposed to the governor by asking, “From what you’ve read and heard about the dispute between Wisconsin’s governor and public employee unions over collective bargaining rights, do you side more with the governor or the public employee unions?”

    Quinnipiac put the collective bargaining rights dispute in context as a potential way to reduce the state budget deficit. Pew described the entire issue as a collective bargaining dispute and never mentioned the state budget deficit. When the deficit is mentioned, the governor does much better; when it’s all about limiting collective bargaining rights, the unions do better.

    This distinction was mirrored in a Rasmussen Reports statewide survey that found support for statewide budget cuts but not for weakening collective bargaining rights. A national Rasmussen Reports survey didn’t mention what the dispute was about and asked, “In the dispute between the governor and the union workers, do you agree more with the governor or the union for teachers and other state employees?” In that case, Walker most recently was favored 47% to 42%.

    Nationally, the New York Times did not ask who people supported but found 60% opposition to “taking away some of the collective bargaining rights of the unions.” Gallup asked a similar question and found 61% opposed.

    But both the New York Times and Quinnipiac found that nationally a plurality thought the debate was more about budget issues than about weakening unions. That’s one reason polls asking only about collective bargaining rights show better results for the unions. If the focus is on budget cutting, as it is for a plurality of adults nationwide, the results look better for the governor...

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    ^^^

    Moral: Polls which want so show union support should not mention the state budget or deficits.
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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    These Leftys just will never understand the change that IS occuring in the United States......Barak was right...change is coming....just not in the way he and his accolytes thought.

    We don't want what he is peddling, and 2010 was simply a foretatse of what will happen in 2012.
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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    ^^^

    Moral: Polls which want so show union support should not mention the state budget or deficits.
    This is one subject that can have a very wide range of poll results based on how the question is worded. Plus the fact that so many people are unclear on what collective bargaining actually is, and don't have a clear understanding of what the law in WI actually does.

    That's the reason I have totally ignored all the polls on this subject.

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Plato View Post
    If you continue to believe the Earth is flat then you're not going to be convinced.

    Look at it this way. Just as posters on here who defend Beck will never ever be taken seriously in a debate again, brand managers want to avoid such a fate for their brands.

    Liberals won't discuss it with you. Why would they? You've crossed the line from right wing radicalism to fundamentalist crankiness. It would simply be a waste of time. I mean of course the Earth is flat otherwise all the water would just fall off wouldn't it?

    Beck is way beyond neocons, Reaganites, earnest Mormons or other conservatives. He is an end of days Christian Talibani. There simply is nothing to discuss. He and his cohorts are enemies of democracy. Those who are intoxicated by his childish political incorrectness cross that line with him. He is a de facto ally of islamofascism, a provocateur and hatemonger who pushes the agenda of global jihad every time he opens his mouth. Osama would love it if the whole US media was dominated by such morons and their friends. He's the enemy within.

    Which brand would associate with such a nutter?
    So what do you think of the Rev Wright? Is he beyond the leftwing universe? Is there anything to discuss? Is your view balanced?
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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by doctorhugo
    Do you think it's mere coincidence that American non-union workers now despise American union workers?
    First, that poll is on state, not national.

    Second, perhaps you could point to the part of this poll that shows 'American non-union workers do not despise American union workers', since that is what you claimed the polls all show.

    I guess finding a poll to actually back up the specific thing you claim is too much effort, huh.
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