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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    seems that the nature of your offer leaves you free to pick and choose.

    could you provide a counter-organization that you would offer as a news group that could not by those rules be demonstrated to be a propaganda arm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    it's good to note that ratings =/= revenue on a 1-1 scale.

    so. how much did Glenn Beck make Fox News last year, then?

    and I'm still waiting for reasons why he is so crazy?
    If you continue to believe the Earth is flat then you're not going to be convinced.

    Look at it this way. Just as posters on here who defend Beck will never ever be taken seriously in a debate again, brand managers want to avoid such a fate for their brands.

    Liberals won't discuss it with you. Why would they? You've crossed the line from right wing radicalism to fundamentalist crankiness. It would simply be a waste of time. I mean of course the Earth is flat otherwise all the water would just fall off wouldn't it?

    Beck is way beyond neocons, Reaganites, earnest Mormons or other conservatives. He is an end of days Christian Talibani. There simply is nothing to discuss. He and his cohorts are enemies of democracy. Those who are intoxicated by his childish political incorrectness cross that line with him. He is a de facto ally of islamofascism, a provocateur and hatemonger who pushes the agenda of global jihad every time he opens his mouth. Osama would love it if the whole US media was dominated by such morons and their friends. He's the enemy within.

    Which brand would associate with such a nutter?
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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Plato View Post
    If you continue to believe the Earth is flat then you're not going to be convinced.

    Look at it this way. Just as posters on here who defend Beck will never ever be taken seriously in a debate again, brand managers want to avoid such a fate for their brands.

    Liberals won't discuss it with you. Why would they? You've crossed the line from right wing radicalism to fundamentalist crankiness. It would simply be a waste of time. I mean of course the Earth is flat otherwise all the water would just fall off wouldn't it?

    Beck is way beyond neocons, Reaganites, earnest Mormons or other conservatives. He is an end of days Christian Talibani. There simply is nothing to discuss. He and his cohorts are enemies of democracy. Those who are intoxicated by his childish political incorrectness cross that line with him. He is a de facto ally of islamofascism, a provocateur and hatemonger who pushes the agenda of global jihad every time he opens his mouth. Osama would love it if the whole US media was dominated by such morons and their friends. He's the enemy within.

    Which brand would associate with such a nutter?
    sooo...... lots of ad hominem but short on any specifics?


    in othernews, long time no see, Plato, howyabeen?

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    I actually recommend gathering information from as many sources as possible. This generall seems to provide a reasonably accurate synthesis of what really occurred. In the above, actually, I'm pretty sure I can demonstrate a considerable amount of high power "messaging". Enough to possibly prove my point. That there's a LOT more "messaging" flying around than most people are aware of.

    It is often at the heart of some of the fundamental disputes between the right and the left.

    I would simply like to occasionally discuss some of the issues debated on this forum through the lens of relevant PR influence on what we're talkng about.

    Because it often IS the answer to all those "Where do you people get all this nonsense?" Posts. Clearly.

    Seriously, i'm not trying to attack any particular position.

    I want everyone to understand the issues clearly and vote their interests accordingly. I do not begrudge you for voting your interest. As I will vote mine. As it should be. Without the deliberate cloud of PR.

    Anyway. No relevant response expected.
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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    THE SOCIALISTS, THE COMMUNISTS!!!!!

    Give me a ****ing break.

    Some of you honestly need to check your red scare goggles again it's 2011 not the 1950's
    Y'know mister jetboogieman you appear to have that flawed perspective common to liberals who think that despite the record of history, they know better...that they know everything better. To even suggest that there has been and is no socialist/communist threat to this country since the 50s is to be in denial of reality and the very fact that there is a resident evil in man. That last comment shouldn't be minimized, because every generation has had it's tyrants whose names are written in the real history books. And the most insidious threat is the one from within, as it's often ignored

    Do you think that the CPUSA is a social club?
    Maybe you should give Chapter 19 a read, because you may be a victim of redacted/revisionist progressive education that got well cranked-up in the 60s. Much authoritative and respected opinion there, backed up by factual reality.
    Or that this bunch, right out of Obama's Chicago past, are just another political party?
    Or that Van Jones who became another casualty under Obama's political bus was a peace activist?
    Or that this bum is no threat to anybody or anything?
    And then there's the Nudge strategist Cass Sunstein who has this distorted view of the Second Amendment and accurately predicted his view would be overturned later, which happened in the DC Circuit Court of Appeals on 3/9/2007. That didn't stop him from participating in this puffball questioning laffer with notorious RINO Susan Collins ochestrated so he could loudly exclaim that he is a supporter of the Second Amendment, just NOT of any original intent interpretation that gives people the right to use arms to defend themselves. No un-American attitudinal threat there, huh. You miss all the subtleties of those who would usurp our system.
    Or what about the most radical czar of all?

    I looked in your public "profile" to see if you listed your age so I could get a better sense of you, but I see you're rather shy about personal information. You have an understandable admiration for the imaginative appeal of the old Star Trek TV series and what and how it related to the then future and inter-galactic travel, etcetera. What about the past though? Are you in complete denial of that? I'm honestly trying to get a sense of where you are coming from.

    Why don't you make your case for that position I and others here consider outrageous. You took the position sugesting that our concerns were a joke, so now it's your responsibility to defend it...WITH FACTS!
    "Ignorance confuses. Knowledge mediates. Truth resolves." (doctorhugo)

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    Quote Originally Posted by doctorhugo View Post
    Y'know mister jetboogieman you appear to have that flawed perspective common to liberals who think that despite the record of history, they know better...that they know everything better. To even suggest that there has been and is no socialist/communist threat to this country since the 50s is to be in denial of reality and the very fact that there is a resident evil in man. That last comment shouldn't be minimized, because every generation has had it's tyrants whose names are written in the real history books. And the most insidious threat is the one from within, as it's often ignored

    Do you think that the CPUSA is a social club?
    Maybe you should give Chapter 19 a read, because you may be a victim of redacted/revisionist progressive education that got well cranked-up in the 60s. Much authoritative and respected opinion there, backed up by factual reality.
    Or that this bunch, right out of Obama's Chicago past, are just another political party?
    Or that Van Jones who became another casualty under Obama's political bus was a peace activist?
    Or that this bum is no threat to anybody or anything?
    And then there's the Nudge strategist Cass Sunstein who has this distorted view of the Second Amendment and accurately predicted his view would be overturned later, which happened in the DC Circuit Court of Appeals on 3/9/2007. That didn't stop him from participating in this puffball questioning laffer with notorious RINO Susan Collins ochestrated so he could loudly exclaim that he is a supporter of the Second Amendment, just NOT of any original intent interpretation that gives people the right to use arms to defend themselves. No un-American attitudinal threat there, huh. You miss all the subtleties of those who would usurp our system.
    Or what about the most radical czar of all?

    I looked in your public "profile" to see if you listed your age so I could get a better sense of you, but I see you're rather shy about personal information. You have an understandable admiration for the imaginative appeal of the old Star Trek TV series and what and how it related to the then future and inter-galactic travel, etcetera. What about the past though? Are you in complete denial of that? I'm honestly trying to get a sense of where you are coming from.

    Why don't you make your case for that position I and others here consider outrageous. You took the position sugesting that our concerns were a joke, so now it's your responsibility to defend it...WITH FACTS!
    Why do you feel the need to personally attack me?

    Are there communists in the United States. Yes.

    Are There Socalists in the United States. Yes.

    Are they as dangerous and capable of taking over government as you think they are no. Your rant proves nothing, I was a bit of a commie when I went through my 15 year old "Che Geveura is cool" phase. And let me tell you something. If Obama is a socialist/communist he's a piss poor excuse for one .

    Everything I have a position on, I have a position on because I've looked at it from a case by case basis, ya'll been screaming "The commies migjht take over" since 1949 and quite frankly I'm just kinda sick of it, it never took over, it hasn't taken over and it ain't gonna take over.

    So while you're gonna be scared of the "communists". Not that you probably could distuignish a communist from a marxist from a socialist since the 3 are technically incompatable... I'll live my leave free of fear of the red scare. And you can continue with your outdated fear mongering, didn't you get the ****ing memo bro...

    It's the muslims we're supposed to be afraid of now

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Ok Conservative, here's what i'll do. I will record all three broadcasts you mentioned (even though I did kinda disqualify Sheppard Smith). I will parse them for known propaganda devices in their broadcasts, labeling them by technique being used and identifying the PR firm, political campaign, etc., that constructed them when possible.

    I will provide clips, along with links to the PR tools in question and other relevant links.

    If I can do this as I believe I can I will post it in the form of a poll, and allow the forum to decide whether I have made my point or not.

    If I am right you concede my point that Fox is the propaganda arm of the Republican party.

    If I am wrong I will admit it and restrict further rants against Fox to the opinion segments alone, making the appropriate distinction from "hard news" segments.

    One week from today or less.

    Sound good?

    If I am unable to provide adequate examples to support my position, where would you like me to acknowledge this failure?
    Whatever floats your boat! Doesn't really matter to me because I believe that Fox News gives both sides of the story and is more in tune with my ideology which has been formed over time. I grew up a JFK Democrat and voted Democratic until 1980 and haven't voted for a Democrat since. As a JFK Democrat I believed as JFK stated that cutting taxes created economic growth through consumer spending and that personal incentive and wealth creation is good.

    I didn't leave the Democratic Party, it left me. The party changed to the Liberal Party where spending in the name of compassion was the issue and not compassionate spending that creates positive results. I got tired of watching govt. grow and increase dependence on that govt. for personal responsibility issues along with the class warfare issue including demonizing profits. I have no use for that ideology and know that people keeping more of what they earn means less of a need for that so called govt. help.

    As for the thread topic, I don't watch Glenn Beck on TV but I do listen to him on radio. I can see why liberals fear him but then liberals fear anyone who tells them anything they don't want to hear. Beck has gone a little too far at times but has been right more than wrong and has to be destroyed. On specific important issues i.e. economic and national security, which are the two most important to me, he is right on and the results prove it, results coming from non partisan sites like Bureau of Economic Analysis, Bureau of Labor Statistics, U.S. Census, and the check book of the U.S., the Treasury Dept.

    Has he made mistakes, yep, but then again he is human and like all humans will make mistakes. Some even admit they make mistakes but not many liberals here who voted for Obama. Instead they have to attack and destroy anyone who speaks out against the Obama agenda and call it racists when the reality is it is all about results and direction.

    So carry on, do whatever you have to do but like with all news media I will verify what I am told and right now Fox has more credibility than the rest of the networks as the results show.

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Why do you feel the need to personally attack me?

    Are there communists in the United States. Yes.

    Are There Socalists in the United States. Yes.

    Are they as dangerous and capable of taking over government as you think they are no. Your rant proves nothing, I was a bit of a commie when I went through my 15 year old "Che Geveura is cool" phase. And let me tell you something. If Obama is a socialist/communist he's a piss poor excuse for one .

    Everything I have a position on, I have a position on because I've looked at it from a case by case basis, ya'll been screaming "The commies migjht take over" since 1949 and quite frankly I'm just kinda sick of it, it never took over, it hasn't taken over and it ain't gonna take over.

    So while you're gonna be scared of the "communists". Not that you probably could distuignish a communist from a marxist from a socialist since the 3 are technically incompatable... I'll live my leave free of fear of the red scare. And you can continue with your outdated fear mongering, didn't you get the ****ing memo bro...

    It's the muslims we're supposed to be afraid of now
    Let me give you an example of leadership, something we seriously lack in this country today. If we had a leader that was proud of his country, believed in this nation, and realized how great this country "was" he would have done with the Leader of Australia did. Take notes and then ask "your" President why he won't lead like he was elected to do?

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard - Australia

    Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law, were told on Wednesday
    to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to
    head off potential terror attacks..


    Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying
    she supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:


    'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It.

    I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some
    individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have
    experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '

    'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials
    and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'

    'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
    Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of
    our society . Learn the language!'

    'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing,
    political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian
    principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is
    certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God
    offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your
    new home, because God is part of our culture.'

    'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that
    you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

    'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you
    every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining,
    whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or
    Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great
    Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

    'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here.
    You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Plato View Post
    If you continue to believe the Earth is flat then you're not going to be convinced.
    And YOU are the one who determines what "flat" is. Our resident soothsayer. That's always handy to have in any forum. I'll peruse the rest of your comments whilst you stroll down here from Mount Olympus to cozy up with we mere mortals for a brief colloquy. Let's see...



    Look at it this way. Just as posters on here who defend Beck will never ever be taken seriously in a debate again, brand managers want to avoid such a fate for their brands.
    Why? I mean why look at it in your way? You've failed to motivate any of us to be so inspired. Oops! Attention mister soothsayer...oh wizened sage for the ages! It marks one as narrow of perception and bereft of tolerance to exhibit such pernicously narrowed opinion of what others may freely think and believe. Mr. Beck and his manner are actually extraneous to the dearth of factual information he puts forth. The overwhelming amount is historically accurate. As he is human and has human foibbles he sometimes errs, as do we all. Doesn't make him a bad person. Most certainly not one who meets the standard you set for posters who are fond of him as to "never ever be taken seriously in a debate again". You'd best take me seriously if we debate. Btw, "brand managers" are interested in their bottom line. It's that bottom line, not Beck's perceived shenanigans and excesses that mediate their decisions if they do their job right. If all their markers tell them they have the audience they're happy. If not they are not. He becomes a sort of subliminal commercial for their product, not unlike...as an example, the silly GEICO gekko commecial. I think it's silly and juvenile and the gekko (Beck equivalent in the example) is ludicrous for an adult audience, BUT somebody is buying GEICO insurance, because they are drowning us in those commercials. Can you grasp that point of equivalence?



    Liberals won't discuss it with you. Why would they? You've crossed the line from right wing radicalism to fundamentalist crankiness. It would simply be a waste of time. I mean of course the Earth is flat otherwise all the water would just fall off wouldn't it?
    You are woefully misinformed. I've debated liberals about Beck ever since his rise in popularity and I'm not even a big fan of his. They mock him endlessly with emotional vitriole as you do, totally unable to grasp any intellectual concept in discussing that which he says and illustrates. Embarassingly..., they do just what you've done here. Rant with much ado about nothing in substance. It takes me back to how they used to wake us up in boot camp in the service. They'd have one guy take a Coke bottle, empty of course, and swing it around the inside ribs of an empty, galvanized ****can. The noise, I imagine, would wake the Devil himself, but it was some relief when it stopped. I think there's a lesson there for you.



    Beck is way beyond neocons, Reaganites, earnest Mormons or other conservatives. He is an end of days Christian Talibani. There simply is nothing to discuss. He and his cohorts are enemies of democracy. Those who are intoxicated by his childish political incorrectness cross that line with him. He is a de facto ally of islamofascism, a provocateur and hatemonger who pushes the agenda of global jihad every time he opens his mouth. Osama would love it if the whole US media was dominated by such morons and their friends. He's the enemy within.
    HA! I rest my case and thank you for the voluntary submission of evidence.

    Note to you: The "i" tacked on to Taliban was unnecessary. Your welcome.




    Which brand would associate with such a nutter
    Hang on friend, it's a long ride as many have bailed from the stopbeck online fear generators of the progressive Soros-backed left, but counting him out now may be premature judgement.
    "Ignorance confuses. Knowledge mediates. Truth resolves." (doctorhugo)

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Let me give you an example of leadership, something we seriously lack in this country today. If we had a leader that was proud of his country, believed in this nation, and realized how great this country "was" he would have done with the Leader of Australia did. Take notes and then ask "your" President why he won't lead like he was elected to do?
    Well I'm not American so he's not my president.

    And sorry I'm confused. What is it you want him to do? Say that anyone with a different religion then Christianity should **** off?

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