Could some leftwing friend please tell me if Beck got fired yet?
"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
What's your problem? Do you always go to topic threads and change the subject whenever you want?Originally Posted by What if...?
Ok, Conservative. Time to put your money where your mouth is.
This'll take a day or two, so that I can gather the necessary evidence.
When I provide clear "talking points" and obvious Republican/NeoKhan opinions and perspectives pertaining to issues in Hard News broadcasts, then you have to admit it, before your peers here.
I'll even let you choose the Hard News programs to draw this proof from. Select at least two. Must be Fox News Channel, not local subsidiaries. Must also be daytime/primetime broadcasts. I've never watched their latenight faire, so for all I know they may broadcast objective news in the middle of the night.(I think Shepard Smiths recent statements regarding wisconsin disqualify him at this point, as he appears to be having a crisis of conscience.)
You up for it?
What if...? you open your own challenge thread.
"Ignorance confuses. Knowledge mediates. Truth resolves." (doctorhugo)
See, this is why I'm hoping that the rumor is true and Glen Beck goes away. As long as that moron is spouting gibberish on tv, there will be DP threads like this that begin with "Beck is an idiot! and end with "The Commies Are Coming!"
This sh*t needs to stop. I haz me a headhurtz.
No barb, them too, if they are disseminating propaganda. I'll check, thanks for the heads up. There is some seriously underhanded crap going on in our national discussion. Powerful tools few are aware of. Not that they are hidden, simply not talked about.
I do not approve of the use of the tools of persuasion at play in this country's national discourse. I do not care who is using them. If those of you on the right point out these tools in use by the left for me I'll add them to my list of examples. I need more for use in examples for dems/lefties.
Is this getting through to anyone? My focus tends to be on the NeoKhan phenomenon and its propaganda campaign over the past 30 years. But I won't tolerate any of the "second amendment doesn't confer individual right to bear arms" bs that comes from the left either.
I am socially liberal because I believe that if I never tell anyone how to live their lives, then I never have to tolerate anyone trying to tell me how to live mine.
I am far more conservative in my core beliefs than any of you here think. But I believe many liberal views are also fair and appropriate, even practical.
Sorry, i'm trying to discuss something that genuinely concerns me and I get uniform dismissal. Utter refusal to discuss my questions in any honest or respectful fashion. Every time.
Ok Conservative, here's what i'll do. I will record all three broadcasts you mentioned (even though I did kinda disqualify Sheppard Smith). I will parse them for known propaganda devices in their broadcasts, labeling them by technique being used and identifying the PR firm, political campaign, etc., that constructed them when possible.
I will provide clips, along with links to the PR tools in question and other relevant links.
If I can do this as I believe I can I will post it in the form of a poll, and allow the forum to decide whether I have made my point or not.
If I am right you concede my point that Fox is the propaganda arm of the Republican party.
If I am wrong I will admit it and restrict further rants against Fox to the opinion segments alone, making the appropriate distinction from "hard news" segments.
One week from today or less.
If I am unable to provide adequate examples to support my position, where would you like me to acknowledge this failure?
Last edited by What if...?; 03-10-11 at 02:11 AM.
I was challenged.
And if everyone is repeating manufactured nonsense that I can identify and often attribute, then yes.
Blah blah blah repeat the "message" over and over and over. Pretend what i'm saying has NOTHING to do with the topic. Its deceit, or ignorance.
Because MANY of you here know exactly what i'm talking about. Your use of language, the trade specific vocabulary, what you do for a living etc identify you as people who understand exactly what i'm saying.
But the subject is taboo.
So I gotta listen to you fuss at me.