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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wrong, TV-PG(not PG13 btw), does not generate more viewers. It generates more advertising demand and higher dollar advertisers and sponsors. Ratings actually went down, but ad revenue went up.
    So either more PG13 viewers bought things than PG-MA viewers do, if your ratings facts are correct. That could indicate better marketing / targeting of product and services for the audience viewers or, it identifies a better match between viewers and products/services being advertised.
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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    TV media is a business just like anything else. If Beck was an internet personality, I'd agree that maybe he wouldn't see his website shutting down anytime soon with 2 million unique hits a day. However any ventures outside of the internet are almost entirely dependent on advertisement revenue. You could have 10,000,000 viewers but if nobody wants to pay for the operating costs of your show and you start bleeding viewers, the chances of you surviving are slim to none.
    Howard Stern, anyone?

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I can't speak about anyone else but, I support Glenn Beck's right to be on the air 100%. However, I do believe he makes the right look foolish and stupid.
    Nobody has a "right" to be on the air. It's a purely for-profit venture to be on television, and the television stations license a particular bandwidth to broadcast their programming in hopes of making money. If he stops making a profit, he will be axed from the air so fast it will make your head spin.

    He has a right to speak. He does not, however, have a right to air time. No one does.
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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Now that I can accept and agree with. You have a right to your opinion just like Beck does and if someone doesn't like it, turn the channel or TV off. Organizing a boycott shows just how radical some really are.
    Organizing a boycott is a time-honored method of voting with your dollars in a free market economy. Nobody has a right to be financially supported by advertising dollars. The far right uses this tactic ALL THE TIME, and they have every right to do so. I can't believe that these kinds of simple political concepts apparently elude you.

    Government can't infringe on your free speech. But, your rights to free speech, as an individual, don't outweigh anyone else's right to free speech. Organizing a boycott IS A FORM OF FREE SPEECH.

    Jesus Christ. For people who claim to love the constitution, some of you sure don't understand it very well.
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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Organizing a boycott is a time-honored method of voting with your dollars in a free market economy. Nobody has a right to be financially supported by advertising dollars. The far right uses this tactic ALL THE TIME, and they have every right to do so. I can't believe that these kinds of simple political concepts apparently elude you.

    Government can't infringe on your free speech. But, your rights to free speech, as an individual, don't outweigh anyone else's right to free speech. Organizing a boycott IS A FORM OF FREE SPEECH.

    Jesus Christ. For people who claim to love the constitution, some of you sure don't understand it very well.
    Why don't you take your services to News Corp and tell them how to run a business. The TV has an off/on and channel button. use them. You don't like Beck, fine but it isn't your decision whether or not he stays on the air. His ratings are still tops in the time slot and beats his competitors by three times.

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    God I hate the PG era

    With that said...I agree with your and others overall point. If Beck is losing REVENUE then that's definitely a reason to potentially axe him.

    However, that wasn't the topic of this thread and has been a goal post move by a lot of the people arguing for it. The topic of this thread was focusing, seemingly, on him being "axed" because he lost a million viewers. You can't sit here and go "He's going to get axed because he lost 1/3rd of his viewers" and then when people point out the size of his viewers go "Yeah but his revenues are down".

    Kind of like you saying that Matthews ratings are irrelevant to whether or not Beck lost 1/3rd of his viewers, whether he lost one million viewers or not is irrelevant to whether is revenue's are down. As you and others are arguing, him having high ratings does note correllate to high revenues. Similarly, him losing 1 million viewers doesn't necessarily mean he's hurting in regards to revenues.

    People were trying to argue he was floundering because he lost 1 million viewers. People, rightfully so, countered this by showing that even though he lost 1 million he's still an extremely successful show with regards to viewership so axing him for that reason would be foolish. So now people are trying to put the revenue argument out there thinking that counters the counter, when in actuality its an entirely different argument.

    Is Beck getting axed because he lost 1 million viewers...which was the original point and topic of the thread?

    or is Beck getting axed because his revenue is going down...which is now the sudden change people are attempting to push.

    Those are two significantly different accusations, and questions, and I find it rather funny watching people quickly grab onto that when it was obvious the million viewers lost comments didn't stand alone well when looking at the big picture as a reason Beck would be "axed"
    Both. Revenue AND viewership were mentioned in the article.

    From the OP:

    Although reasons behind the possible dismissal remain unclear, one suggestion has been his steady loss of viewers - from an average of 2.9 million in January 2010 to 1.8 million in January 2011.

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    Fox News has also lost a host of lucrative advertising deals including Coca-Cola, BMW and British supermarket chain Waitrose from the cable channel, left uncomfortable with his increasingly outspoken views.

    The New York Times writes: 'Some 300 advertisers fled the show, leaving sponsorship to a slew of gold bullion marketers whose message dovetails nicely with Mr. Beck's end-of-times gospel.'


    Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe from controversial TV show after losing a million viewers in a year | Mail Online
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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Does anyone here watch Beck regularly? I have tried to watch, but I can only handle a few minutes of him. He's kind of a combination of Ross Perot and Jimmy Baker.
    I used to watch him every day, then almost never, now about half the time. I change channels when he gets too many pictures and too many chalkboards going at once. His ADD is getting out of control and I can't keep up.
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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Both. Revenue AND viewership were mentioned in the article.

    From the OP:
    Still doesn't mean his show has lost revenue.

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Why don't you take your services to News Corp and tell them how to run a business. The TV has an off/on and channel button. use them. You don't like Beck, fine but it isn't your decision whether or not he stays on the air. His ratings are still tops in the time slot and beats his competitors by three times.
    He's on the publicly-owned airwaves. I'm surprised that you don't understand that this is everyone's business.

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Nobody has a "right" to be on the air. It's a purely for-profit venture to be on television, and the television stations license a particular bandwidth to broadcast their programming in hopes of making money. If he stops making a profit, he will be axed from the air so fast it will make your head spin.

    He has a right to speak. He does not, however, have a right to air time. No one does.
    Here is Beck outlining just one of the people behind the "boycott"

    Van Jones creates anti-police school curriculum – Glenn Beck





    Nice guy that Van Jones


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