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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I was following the conversation. He claimed that ratings don't matter, only revenues. I agree with that to a degree. But, since he didn't show any proof that Beck's show has lost revenues, his point is moot.

    Ratings do matter normally, since that is the reference that all media use to set advertising rates for that particular show. In this case, I have no doubt that Beck has been harmed by the constant, ongoing boycotts by the left of anyone that dares sponsor his show, so it is entirely possible that Fox has lowered his rates below normal to attract more advertisers. But, as I said, no one has posted any information claiming that his revenue or rates are not normal for a show with his ratings.
    You are overvaluing ratings. Let me use an example that I know about, professional wrestling. WWE has and for some time has had the highest rated show on cable. They are a big part of why USA network tends to be the highest rated cable channel. When USA has a big week they need ratings on, they get WWE to do a 3 hour special. Ratings = big. However, despite this, WWE was hurting due to both a lack of people wanting to advertise on their show, and those who did being unable to pay big bucks. This was due to two things. People thought that wrestling viewers where dumb, really dumb(so dumb that when WWE changed networks, there where a number of TV industry people predicted it would kill the show because wrestling fans would not be able to find it). More importantly, people thought(correctly) that the show was really offensive. What WWE had to do to get sponsors and raise ad revenue was to change the nature of the show, and it is now a TV-PG show as opposed to a trashy TV-MA show.

    Now, I could do like those conservatives who like to play the victim and claim that the PMRC attacking any one who dares sponsor WWE programming and unfair attacks by certain conservative groups, but the truth is more that companies care about who and what they have associated with their product.
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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    it's good to note that ratings =/= revenue on a 1-1 scale.

    so. how much did Glenn Beck make Fox News last year, then?

    and I'm still waiting for reasons why he is so crazy?

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You are overvaluing ratings. Let me use an example that I know about, professional wrestling. WWE has and for some time has had the highest rated show on cable. They are a big part of why USA network tends to be the highest rated cable channel. When USA has a big week they need ratings on, they get WWE to do a 3 hour special. Ratings = big. However, despite this, WWE was hurting due to both a lack of people wanting to advertise on their show, and those who did being unable to pay big bucks. This was due to two things. People thought that wrestling viewers where dumb, really dumb(so dumb that when WWE changed networks, there where a number of TV industry people predicted it would kill the show because wrestling fans would not be able to find it). More importantly, people thought(correctly) that the show was really offensive. What WWE had to do to get sponsors and raise ad revenue was to change the nature of the show, and it is now a TV-PG show as opposed to a trashy TV-MA show.

    Now, I could do like those conservatives who like to play the victim and claim that the PMRC attacking any one who dares sponsor WWE programming and unfair attacks by certain conservative groups, but the truth is more that companies care about who and what they have associated with their product.
    So what I take away from this was, PG-13 attracts more viewers than TV-MA, which in turn provides a more diverse audience and attracts advertisers who want to put their products or services in front of as many people as possible to generate sales/revenue. That makes perfect sense. By toning down the content of WWE they reach more people. I'd argue TV-MA vs. TV-PG13 professional wrestling is still as stupid as a post - but it's entertainments albeit a low form of entertainment. Whether or not "people" whoever they are, think Wrestling is dumb and the "people" who watch is are dumb is irrelevant as long as the advertisers can link the advertising dollars spent to sales and there is a positive correlation.
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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You are overvaluing ratings. Let me use an example that I know about, professional wrestling. WWE has and for some time has had the highest rated show on cable. They are a big part of why USA network tends to be the highest rated cable channel. When USA has a big week they need ratings on, they get WWE to do a 3 hour special. Ratings = big. However, despite this, WWE was hurting due to both a lack of people wanting to advertise on their show, and those who did being unable to pay big bucks. This was due to two things. People thought that wrestling viewers where dumb, really dumb(so dumb that when WWE changed networks, there where a number of TV industry people predicted it would kill the show because wrestling fans would not be able to find it). More importantly, people thought(correctly) that the show was really offensive. What WWE had to do to get sponsors and raise ad revenue was to change the nature of the show, and it is now a TV-PG show as opposed to a trashy TV-MA show.

    Now, I could do like those conservatives who like to play the victim and claim that the PMRC attacking any one who dares sponsor WWE programming and unfair attacks by certain conservative groups, but the truth is more that companies care about who and what they have associated with their product.
    Maybe you should read past the first word or two. I said that I agree that revenues are important, but that ratings are typically based on ratings to a large degree.

    Now........do you have any information that Beck's revenues have dropped, or are you going to continue to change the subject???

    I have to admit, that I didn't read all of your post. The first sentence that mentioned WWE sent me running.

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    it's good to note that ratings =/= revenue on a 1-1 scale.

    so. how much did Glenn Beck make Fox News last year, then?

    and I'm still waiting for reasons why he is so crazy?

    But it is so much easier to just ad hominem.


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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

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    LoLz. I love the world you live in Barb. It's so simple. "We are the victims! It's not our fault, it's all liberals!".
    Can you point out where Conservatives have ever used tactics such as this to silence a liberal? Better yet can you show where any significant number even wants to silence liberals, much less take action to shut them up.

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You are overvaluing ratings. Let me use an example that I know about, professional wrestling. WWE has and for some time has had the highest rated show on cable. They are a big part of why USA network tends to be the highest rated cable channel. When USA has a big week they need ratings on, they get WWE to do a 3 hour special. Ratings = big. However, despite this, WWE was hurting due to both a lack of people wanting to advertise on their show, and those who did being unable to pay big bucks. This was due to two things. People thought that wrestling viewers where dumb, really dumb(so dumb that when WWE changed networks, there where a number of TV industry people predicted it would kill the show because wrestling fans would not be able to find it). More importantly, people thought(correctly) that the show was really offensive. What WWE had to do to get sponsors and raise ad revenue was to change the nature of the show, and it is now a TV-PG show as opposed to a trashy TV-MA show.

    Now, I could do like those conservatives who like to play the victim and claim that the PMRC attacking any one who dares sponsor WWE programming and unfair attacks by certain conservative groups, but the truth is more that companies care about who and what they have associated with their product.
    God I hate the PG era

    With that said...I agree with your and others overall point. If Beck is losing REVENUE then that's definitely a reason to potentially axe him.

    However, that wasn't the topic of this thread and has been a goal post move by a lot of the people arguing for it. The topic of this thread was focusing, seemingly, on him being "axed" because he lost a million viewers. You can't sit here and go "He's going to get axed because he lost 1/3rd of his viewers" and then when people point out the size of his viewers go "Yeah but his revenues are down".

    Kind of like you saying that Matthews ratings are irrelevant to whether or not Beck lost 1/3rd of his viewers, whether he lost one million viewers or not is irrelevant to whether is revenue's are down. As you and others are arguing, him having high ratings does note correllate to high revenues. Similarly, him losing 1 million viewers doesn't necessarily mean he's hurting in regards to revenues.

    People were trying to argue he was floundering because he lost 1 million viewers. People, rightfully so, countered this by showing that even though he lost 1 million he's still an extremely successful show with regards to viewership so axing him for that reason would be foolish. So now people are trying to put the revenue argument out there thinking that counters the counter, when in actuality its an entirely different argument.

    Is Beck getting axed because he lost 1 million viewers...which was the original point and topic of the thread?

    or is Beck getting axed because his revenue is going down...which is now the sudden change people are attempting to push.

    Those are two significantly different accusations, and questions, and I find it rather funny watching people quickly grab onto that when it was obvious the million viewers lost comments didn't stand alone well when looking at the big picture as a reason Beck would be "axed"

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I would like to see what you can come up with when you aren't being pre-programmed full of pablum by Beck.
    I would like to see some logic and common sense from a liberal but that will happen when hell freezes over. I don't watch Beck but defend his right to be on air and to make the choice whether or not to watch. LIberals want to silence any opposition. Just love the compassion and liberal fairness.

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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Does anyone here watch Beck regularly? I have tried to watch, but I can only handle a few minutes of him. He's kind of a combination of Ross Perot and Jimmy Baker.
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    Re: Fox News firebrand Glenn Beck facing axe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So what I take away from this was, PG-13 attracts more viewers than TV-MA, which in turn provides a more diverse audience and attracts advertisers who want to put their products or services in front of as many people as possible to generate sales/revenue. That makes perfect sense. By toning down the content of WWE they reach more people. I'd argue TV-MA vs. TV-PG13 professional wrestling is still as stupid as a post - but it's entertainments albeit a low form of entertainment. Whether or not "people" whoever they are, think Wrestling is dumb and the "people" who watch is are dumb is irrelevant as long as the advertisers can link the advertising dollars spent to sales and there is a positive correlation.
    Wrong, TV-PG(not PG13 btw), does not generate more viewers. It generates more advertising demand and higher dollar advertisers and sponsors. Ratings actually went down, but ad revenue went up.
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