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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    It's going to be reviewed within the next 3 days by 100+ scientists.
    Let's see what they say.
    Homework assignment: whoever finds an article on the results of that, post it for everyone. Results should be intresting.

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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

    Quote Originally Posted by joe six-pack View Post
    The criticism of Hoover is that the bacteria evidence he found in the meteor might not have been there originally, due to contamination. This can be either proven or disproven. If there are fossils in the sample, carbon dating should tell us how old they are. Further study could debunk or validate the hypothesis. A scientist (or anyone with intelligence) should be skeptical but keep an open mind.

    If you have proof it's a fraudulent claim, post it. But don't act like an indignant child, please. I'm only interested in the facts, not the controversy. If it's proven to be a false claim, I'll be disappointed, but it's expected. If not, that's another story. In the meantime, let's not become dumb beasts without reason or curiosity.
    Scientifically speaking, it is not up to me, or anybody else, to prove that something is false. It is up to him to prove that it is true. That is the way it works.

    Case in point: "I am holding a baseball in my hand right now. Prove me wrong." You can't, but according to the scientific method, you don't have to. I must prove to you that I AM holding a baseball in my hand by showing it to you.

    So far, Hoover has not proven his case at all. He submitted this paper 4 years ago to the Journal of Astrobiology, which did not complete the peer review process on it, and did not print it. 4 years later (NOW), he submits it to the Journal of Cosmology, which is a discredited publication, with no peer-review process, and which has printed articles before that were later debunked. Even Hoover's own boss at NASA has stated that he does not support Hoover's findings. If this was the big story it is supposed to be, don't you think that scientists from all over the world would have been jumping all over it 4 years ago? Again, it's up to Hoover to prove his case, and so far, he hasn't.

    If you are a reasonable person and a critical thinker, then you tell me, after knowing all this, whether the article is credible or not.
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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

    It should be noted that a number of null hypotheses need to be rejected i.e., "the remains are not fossilized microorganisms," and if that can be done, "the remains did not originate off the earth," etc. That is a very rigorous process.

    Finally, while I won't label Hoover's hypothesis (and that's what it is) "false" or "fraudulent," I would state that it currently lacks evidence to support it. I would also add that given the challenges involved in rejecteing the null hypotheses (especially the latter one given the enormous risk of earthly contamination e.g., via microfractures), my guess is that his hypthesis is very likely incorrect.
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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Scientifically speaking, it is not up to me, or anybody else, to prove that something is false. It is up to him to prove that it is true. That is the way it works.
    The way science works is forming a hypothesis and either proving or disproving that hypothesis. A NASA scientists has provided a hypothesis based on evidence he claims to exist, if it does and if it can be tested to be what he says it is, then it can be proven true. If that isn't the case, it can be disproven.

    How do you not understand that? There is a peer review that is going take place soon over this controversy.
    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If you are a reasonable person and a critical thinker, then you tell me, after knowing all this, whether the article is credible or not.
    When an impartial third-party reviews the research and says it's not true, then I'll make up my mind. It would appear that the journal is not credible, but I have no intention of taking your word for it. I believe in tangible evidence and verifiable proof, plenty of great discoveries have been made by mistake or by amateurs.

    What I wont do is make up my mind about something that hasn't actually been debunked.
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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

    Quote Originally Posted by joe six-pack View Post
    The way science works is forming a hypothesis and either proving or disproving that hypothesis. A NASA scientists has provided a hypothesis based on evidence he claims to exist, if it does and if it can be tested to be what he says it is, then it can be proven true. If that isn't the case, it can be disproven.

    How do you not understand that? There is a peer review that is going take place soon over this controversy.

    When an impartial third-party reviews the research and says it's not true, then I'll make up my mind. It would appear that the journal is not credible, but I have no intention of taking your word for it. I believe in tangible evidence and verifiable proof, plenty of great discoveries have been made by mistake or by amateurs.

    What I wont do is make up my mind about something that hasn't actually been debunked.
    No, That's not how it works at all - The scientific method puts the onus on the one making the claim to prove it. It doesn't put the onus on someone to attempt to prove a negative. The burden of proof is on whoever makes the claim. Period. But you are welcome to try and prove a negative, if you really want to:

    OK, right now, I AM holding a baseball. Prove that I'm not.

    While you are attempting to figure this one out, I think I will grab a beer and some popcorn, and entertain myself by watching you turn into a pretzel. LOL.
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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

    Old news. We discovered alien life in the 80s.




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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    This thing asked me out last Friday for a drink
    LOL, kinda looks like a giant noodle.

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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    No, That's not how it works at all - The scientific method puts the onus on the one making the claim to prove it. It doesn't put the onus on someone to attempt to prove a negative. The burden of proof is on whoever makes the claim. Period. But you are welcome to try and prove a negative, if you really want to:

    OK, right now, I AM holding a baseball. Prove that I'm not.

    While you are attempting to figure this one out, I think I will grab a beer and some popcorn, and entertain myself by watching you turn into a pretzel. LOL.
    All that one would have to do to prove if you are holding a baseball bat or not is to go see you.

    The thing about the guy in the OP is that he says he has physical proof. A fossilized bacteria taken from inside a meteor rock. He presents his evidence and people inspect it to see if it is true or not. Basically what I am saying is that no one can prove anything true or false unless another person is willing to look at the available proof. In the case of the OP's guy or you Dan is since there is physical proof someone must go look at it. IE if someone claims to have physical proof then the onus of proving that someone false/correct falls to the community.
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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

    Ok i'm writing this post because I think that I didn't quite state exactly what I meant in my previous post.

    For all scientific hypothesis's there comes a time when it must be peer reviewed in order to give any credence to what is being put forth. This is in essence the time when others must prove or disprove that hypothesis. If it never gets peer reviewed then it never gets proved or disproved. Its in a state of limbo..neither right, nor wrong.

    The guy in the OP has reached that point. He has submitted his work in its entirety for peer review. It is now up to the community to approve or disprove what he has put forth.
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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    No, That's not how it works at all - The scientific method puts the onus on the one making the claim to prove it.
    There is a difference between Scientific Method and a peer review.

    This is Scientific Method: please refer to this definition.
    * Ask a Question
    * Do Background Research
    * Construct a Hypothesis
    * Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
    * Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
    * Communicate Your Results
    In short it is the process of forming a hypothesis and either proving or disproving that hypothesis. This is what the researcher does. A peer review follows similar steps, attempting to prove or disprove the results. Obviously if it can't be proven, by default the researchers claim is therefore disproven.
    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It doesn't put the onus on someone to attempt to prove a negative.
    Duh? I think we are talking about apples and oranges.

    Hoover claims to have gone through the process above. He claims to have proof that I haven't seen or examined yet. Until I see the research and review the evidence myself, it is neither "true" nor "untrue." It is theoretically possible that Hoover's claim is true, even though he did not originally complete the peer review process.

    Naturally, I have to assume the research is going to be proven false. But I don't know that for factual truth. I heard the peer review process is going to be completed on these findings, to clear up the controversy, which is what I was referring to by disproving the hypothesis.

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