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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

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    It's not "faith" it's a hypotheses. There is a critical difference: a hypotheses is changed when new facts are introduced.
    Then how can such even be suggested as being a FACT? If something new is introduced and the (wink, wink) "hypthesis" is changed...then the first SPECULATION was a LIE..no? If not, enlighten us...what do you call a statement that is presented as truth and later turns out to an UNTRUTH? Whatever it is...ITS NOT PHYSICAL SCIENCE as a Fact of Science is based upon Observed, Reproducible, experimentation that produces constant results with each conducted EXPERIMENT. What? Are you suggesting that Science is presenting a speculation as truth until a better LIE comes up? I have never known of either a "Law of Physics" or a "Fact of Science"..wink, wink...CHANGING. The only thing I see changing is the mind of the one making the suggestion....i.e,. Philosophy when all the evidence is held only between the ears.

    I think I see what you are getting at. When someone uses PRIMA FACIE evidence to from an OPINION that he/she accepts as TRUTH beyond the reason of doubt, based upon the available evidence...in Science its called an HYPOTHESIS, but in Religion its called BLIND FAITH.

    Another question? Why, after almost 200 years has no new evidence been produced to PROVE vertical evolution as anything more than a THEORY? I mean, it looks to me as if every time that such an IDEA was falsified by the Scientific Method of Observed, Reproduced, Experimentation without ONE successful Experiment demonstrating that LIFE can be generated Spontaneously from DEAD MATTER....just say'n, one would think that its time to DREAM UP a better lie instead of continually HOPING that New Evidence will be found....ONE DAY. I still fail to see how HOPING for this NEW EVIDENCE is not a form of FAITH....but UNTIL THEN....it must be accepted as a FACT? LMPAO
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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

    The photograph in the OP is not a photo of what this guy claims he found. One of the images from the meteorite is below



    The guy's paper is bunk. It makes an extraordinary claim with very thin, subjective evidence, was published in a junk, non-peer reviewed journal, and NASA's astrobiology director has come out against the guy's claims

    "That is a claim that Mr Hoover has been making for some years," said Carl Pilcher, director of NASA's Astrobiology Institute.

    "I am not aware of any support from other meteorite researchers for this rather extraordinary claim that this evidence of microbes was present in the meteorite before the meteorite arrived on Earth and and was not the result of contamination after the meteorite arrived on Earth," he told AFP.

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    Paul Hertz, chief scientist of NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington, also issued a statement saying NASA did not support Hoover's findings.
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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    It's going to be reviewed within the next 3 days by 100+ scientists.
    Let's see what they say.
    Who are these scientists? Who has appointed them? Who do they work for?

    Just attaching 100+ scientists to something does not mean that effective analysis is happening per se.

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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Then how can such even be suggested as being a FACT? If something new is introduced and the (wink, wink) "hypthesis" is changed...then the first SPECULATION was a LIE..no?
    It's a fact that there are fossilized bacteria in the meteorite. The hypothesis is that it was present in the meteorite before it landed on the Earth and that the bacteria fossils were formed in it originated on another planet. Disproving a hypothesis doesn't make it a lie, it makes it a mistake. For more information see a dictionary about the word "hypothesis."
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    It makes an extraordinary claim with very thin, subjective evidence, was published in a junk, non-peer reviewed journal, and NASA's astrobiology director has come out against the guy's claims
    In science, there is a difference between criticism and proving a hypothesis false. Hoover's hypothesis has yet to be disproved and we have the ability to test it. Results will be in pending peer review. Until it's disproved I have an open (although skeptical) mind.
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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

    Quote Originally Posted by joe six-pack View Post
    It's a fact that there are fossilized bacteria in the meteorite. The hypothesis is that it was present in the meteorite before it landed on the Earth and that the bacteria fossils were formed in it originated on another planet. Disproving a hypothesis doesn't make it a lie, it makes it a mistake. For more information see a dictionary about the word "hypothesis."

    In science, there is a difference between criticism and proving a hypothesis false. Hoover's hypothesis has yet to be disproved and we have the ability to test it. Results will be in pending peer review. Until it's disproved I have an open (although skeptical) mind.
    Now how the hell can you make the CONCLUSION that what was found is FOSSILIZED BACTERIA....void of having any available evidence to prove as much? What example of FOSSILIZED BACTERIA that has been proven to be fossilized life are you comparing that lump of rock to? What? Are you presenting One Hypothesis to Prove another as a FACT? Really? Geeze...some Scientist. I know...I know....IT APPEARS TO BE...yada, yada..yada........now that's real OBJECTIVE SCIENCE..no? Any way that you wish to draw up the formula. -0- + -0- still = -0-
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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Now how the hell can you make the CONCLUSION that what was found is FOSSILIZED BACTERIA
    It's called scientific method. There are people who only study fossils. Carbon dating.
    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    What example of FOSSILIZED BACTERIA that has been proven to be fossilized life are you comparing that lump of rock to?
    We have fossilized bacteria from pre-historic times. It's called science, look it up.

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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

    BREAKING NEWS - A new article in the journal of cosmology claims that evidence of alien life has been found in a refrigerator, located in a home at the corner of Main and Second, in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. After putting a red substance obtained from the bottom shelf of the refrigerator through an electron microscope, NASA scientist Richard Hoover found filaments of what he claims to be alien blood.

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Hoover
    If the measurements hold up, this could be end of the hegemony of man as the dominant force in the Universe, and the beginning of a new era, in which life that exists elsewhere may prove to be more than a match for the human race. I am giving copies of my paper out to 5,000 military personnel, in the hope that they will drop bombs on the house containing this demonic substance, and save mankind for the sake of...... um.... mankind.
    Other scientists are skeptical of this claim, and say that they will wait for more evidence. In the mean time, Channel 5 News sent a reporter out to the home and interviewed the Graham family, who rents the home in this quiet Tuscaloosa neighborhood. Larry and Tanya Graham were quite surprised at the visit, and claimed not to know what the brouhaha was all about. And little 7 year old Linda Graham, their daughter, would not comment, except to read the following prepared statement:

    "I was making a PB&J sandwich this morning and dropped the strawberry jam. I'm sorry".
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    Re: NASA proves that Alein Life Exists

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    BREAKING NEWS - ("hilarious" story)
    The criticism of Hoover is that the bacteria evidence he found in the meteor might not have been there originally, due to contamination. This can be either proven or disproven. If there are fossils in the sample, carbon dating should tell us how old they are. Further study could debunk or validate the hypothesis. A scientist (or anyone with intelligence) should be skeptical but keep an open mind.

    If you have proof it's a fraudulent claim, post it. But don't act like an indignant child, please. I'm only interested in the facts, not the controversy. If it's proven to be a false claim, I'll be disappointed, but it's expected. If not, that's another story. In the meantime, let's not become dumb beasts without reason or curiosity.
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