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Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

And yet, you haven't actually answered my question. Oh, btw, we don't demonize pedos, they demonize themselves.

This little girl has the background of your typical prostitute. If she's not experimenting already, she soon will be into drugs. The next major criminal to enter her life, assuming it's not her murderer, will be a pimp. Of course, the left and loosertarians will cover up her tragedy by misrepresenting her situation as a valid 'choice', a 'victimless crime', when in fact she's been the victim for a long time.
 
A gang rape signals a desire to breed? Seriously?

:doh Dude, that is not even close to what I was saying. I am not even sure how you could possibly conclude it was.
 
Texas Gang Rape of 11-Year-Old Girl; Charges Against 18 Men Spark Racial Tensions - ABC News

...Brenda Myers knows the girl and her family. Myers runs the Community and Children's Impact Center in Cleveland, one of the few programs for Cleveland's youth. The 11-year-old girl and her two sisters frequently attended meetings held by Myers' organization. Myers said the girl was a happy and talkative girl, but something abruptly changed last October.

"This little girl was always hugging and loving and in October, she was really, really quiet," Myers said.

When Myers asked the girl what was bothering her, she said, "It's just something I can't tell you," Myers said...

Yeah. Clearly this little girl "wanted it." :(


BTW, this little girl comes from a perfectly normal family... she has a mom who has been sick and hospitalized, and unemployed dad and two siblings. They were all living together, although going through the same hard times as so many Americans, but all the children were happy, did well in school and had friends.

Until October, after the sexual assaults had begun.
 
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Texas Gang Rape of 11-Year-Old Girl; Charges Against 18 Men Spark Racial Tensions - ABC News



Yeah. Clearly this little girl "wanted it." :(


BTW, this little girl comes from a perfectly normal family... she has a mom who has been sick and hospitalized, and unemployed dad and two siblings. They were all living together, although going through the same hard times as so many Americans, but all the children were happy, did well in school and had friends.

Until October, after the sexual assaults had begun.

Did I miss something? Was Thanksgiving moved to October last year?
 
Did I miss something? Was Thanksgiving moved to October last year?

I linked to the third page of a comprehensive article. Read the first two pages and you'll see that she was initially attacked in mid-Sept and again in Oct by at least two individuals prior to the November gang-bang. You can read, yes? Try it. You might learn something.
 
About the last minute of the interview, a police affidavit is quoted.

Ummm... no Jerry. That's not what happened on the interview. In the last minute, the woman being interviewed stated that an attorney for 3 of the men stated that THEY claimed that she was a willing participant. However, the affidavit that was quoted, stated that the 11 year-old balked and that there were threats made towards her. I believe that this debunks your entire line, here.
 
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Of course that's obvious! I can't maintain my civility anymore. I guarantee you that in a month this crime will fade from memory of all those who weren't directly effected by it. This little girl will grow up and everyone will forget she ever existed. But larger problems in society that we can change are still there, and being completely ignored while we are getting all worked up about another f*cking story. People pay attention to these small crimes when f*cking genocide is going on. And worse yet, they don't care that no one's doing anything about. They're to worried about what happened to little Sally to pay attention to a whole world that's f*cked up to the tenth power. You can't change what happened to Sally, but you can change the world. Am I the only one that sees this?

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This discussion is officially detrimental to my sanity. I'm definitely going to avoid topics like this in the future.

It is because focussing on those bigger problems means actually acknowledging them then having to act to change things. Being distracted by moral outrage at incidents like this and using superlatives to distance your self from the results of this screwed up world helps to abrogate yourself from responsibility and distance yourself from the problem. You see the accusations of coldness at not making some emotional investment and joining the tide of woe and also the accusations of being aloof for not throwing on your hair shirt and becoming personally attached to this story while there clearly and truthfully are bigger problems.

Interestingly, since this thread started I roughly estimate that 140,000 children died worldwide. I understand what you are saying, it is an absolute tragedy for this girl if she has been subjected to this ordeal and it is a further tragedy that it looks like another 18 lives are also now screwed up. It is a personal tragedy for these people and hopefully the Support Services, the Police and the Law that we, the people, put in place will deal with it professionally and calmly. In the meantime, as a parent I find it unimaginable how much pain those who are really involved in this story are feeling but it does nothing to help if I dwell on it.
 
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I linked to the third page of a comprehensive article. Read the first two pages and you'll see that she was initially attacked in mid-Sept and again in Oct by at least two individuals prior to the November gang-bang. You can read, yes? Try it. You might learn something.

I read those first two pages and found no mention at all of anything in September or October.

Ummm... no Jerry. That's not what happened on the interview. In the last minute, the woman being interviewed stated that an attorney for 3 of the men stated that THEY claimed that she was a willing participant. However, the affidavit that was quoted, stated that the 11 year-old balked and that there were threats made towards her. I believe that this debunks your entire line, here.

How does one person's unsubstantiated claim debunk another's? Just because your sympathies are for the girl doesn't mean her word is sacrosanct. Rape victims lie for any number of reasons, providing they are telling the truth about being a victim in the first place.
 
Black Panthers defile Texas Child Rape Case, watch the video:
[video]http://nation.foxnews.com/black-panthers/2011/03/11/black-panthers-defile-texas-child-rape-case[/video]
 
I read those first two pages and found no mention at all of anything in September or October.



How does one person's unsubstantiated claim debunk another's? Just because your sympathies are for the girl doesn't mean her word is sacrosanct. Rape victims lie for any number of reasons, providing they are telling the truth about being a victim in the first place.
If you're pointing out that CC's sympathies lie with the girl, does that mean yours lies with the rapists?
 
This little girl has the background of your typical prostitute. If she's not experimenting already, she soon will be into drugs. The next major criminal to enter her life, assuming it's not her murderer, will be a pimp. Of course, the left and loosertarians will cover up her tragedy by misrepresenting her situation as a valid 'choice', a 'victimless crime', when in fact she's been the victim for a long time.

The only posts that could be interpreted as saying that the little girl wasn't a victim were, well, the ones saying that she "wanted it", you know, the posts that you wrote.
 
I read those first two pages and found no mention at all of anything in September or October.



How does one person's unsubstantiated claim debunk another's? Just because your sympathies are for the girl doesn't mean her word is sacrosanct. Rape victims lie for any number of reasons, providing they are telling the truth about being a victim in the first place.

The victim is 11 years old. Are these people so ignorant that they cannot understand that you don't have sex with 11-year-olds under any circumstances? It doesn't matter how much she flirted with them or how much she "wanted it". It is illegal, as well as immoral, to have sex with a child. They should all be removed from society, as well as the gene pool.

All of this talk of supporting sex with a child, or at least having her share the responsibility, suggest that there might be a religious issue here where sex with children is taken far more lightly.
 
Way to emotionally invested, especially for something we're about to forget ever existed.

Only those who are damaged emotionally fail to react with emotion to the news of a child's gang rape.

Those who rationalize it as a way of normalizing the event ,and those who try to justify it in any way by claiming the gang rape of a child is the child's fault are in serious need of some help.
 
How does one person's unsubstantiated claim debunk another's? Just because your sympathies are for the girl doesn't mean her word is sacrosanct. Rape victims lie for any number of reasons, providing they are telling the truth about being a victim in the first place.

The real point is that it doesn't matter what her word is....she's 11.
 
The real point is that it doesn't matter what her word is....she's 11.

While there are those here who would chose to minimize the crime that occurred here because there are more important issues in the world that should be more of a concern, perhaps it's time to recall the "Broken Window" concept.

Boiled down, it is the idea that if we can't solve problems in our own neighbourhoods, how are we expected to solve the big issues? It all starts small and grows. Look the other way when a child is raped because children are starving in Africa or there is an earthquake in Japan, and societies everywhere will crumble.

The Weekend Interview with James Q. Wilson: The Man Who Defined Deviancy Up - WSJ.com
 
While there are those here who would chose to minimize the crime that occurred here because there are more important issues in the world that should be more of a concern, perhaps it's time to recall the "Broken Window" concept.

Boiled down, it is the idea that if we can't solve problems in our own neighbourhoods, how are we expected to solve the big issues? It all starts small and grows. Look the other way when a child is raped because children are starving in Africa or there is an earthquake in Japan, and societies everywhere will crumble.

The Weekend Interview with James Q. Wilson: The Man Who Defined Deviancy Up - WSJ.com

I agree with your point, it is a fallacy. Any incidence of violation of human dignity is equally comparable to any other. Whether she was a misguided black girl from the ghetto with no real parental influence or not and may have agreed to have sex with one or more of those people has no bearing on the fact that she was gang-raped by 18 men and boys. The fact that there is a genocide happening in Darfur and an earthquake hit Japan in no way diminishes what happened to the little girl. Until we realize that, and treat every instance of human indignity with equal aversion, than we aren't going to bring an end to any instance of human indignity.
 
How does one person's unsubstantiated claim debunk another's? Just because your sympathies are for the girl doesn't mean her word is sacrosanct. Rape victims lie for any number of reasons, providing they are telling the truth about being a victim in the first place.

Do you actually want to address what I said, or do you just want to argue for the sake of arguing? Wait... stupid question.

What I refuted, DoL, was that Jerry claimed that the affidavit stated that the girl was "part of it" whereas the affidavit actually said the opposite. Next time, try to actually read and pay attention to what was said, rather than arguing a point that was never made.
 
I read those first two pages and found no mention at all of anything in September or October.



How does one person's unsubstantiated claim debunk another's? Just because your sympathies are for the girl doesn't mean her word is sacrosanct. Rape victims lie for any number of reasons, providing they are telling the truth about being a victim in the first place.

So you think this little girl was lying about her age? Or that her birth certificate might be forged?

Your best defense might be to claim that you didn't know it was illegal to have sex with an 11-year-old. Maybe that's what those charged will also do.
 
I read those first two pages and found no mention at all of anything in September or October.

Sorry about that. I must have been in another article, or perhaps it was in a video. The girl claimed that she had been forced to have sex twice before the November gang rape by two men... once in mid-September and once in October. That's when her demeanor completely changed and she became a quiet, unhappy little girl.
 
At least 18 charged in alleged gang rape of Texas girl



It's hard to imagine such a crime. Eighteen men and boys raping an 11 year old girl? Is there any punishment on this Earth severe enough for such a crime?

Time for some neutering operations, seriously.

If they did it hopefully they are found guilty,punished to the fullest extent of the law and sent to the worst prison that a child a molester/rapist can be stuck in.
 
If they did it hopefully they are found guilty,punished to the fullest extent of the law and sent to the worst prison that a child a molester/rapist can be stuck in.
and get 'bubba' for a cellmate
 
Rape victims lie for any number of reasons, providing they are telling the truth about being a victim in the first place.

Are you implying that an eleven year old girl wanted to have sex with 18 men and then turned around and cried "rape"?
 
I read those first two pages and found no mention at all of anything in September or October.



How does one person's unsubstantiated claim debunk another's? Just because your sympathies are for the girl doesn't mean her word is sacrosanct. Rape victims lie for any number of reasons, providing they are telling the truth about being a victim in the first place.

ELEVEN YEARS OLD.

Simply under statutory rape laws, she was raped.
 
ELEVEN YEARS OLD.

Simply under statutory rape laws, she was raped.

Without a doubt. I seriously, like 95%, doubt she consented to anything.

But on that same note, when society hears the word "rape" they think violence. Force. Coercion. They don't think an 18yo with his 17 or 16yo gf on prom night. However, in many states, this is indeed statutory rape. Overuse of the word "rape" has numbed its original meaning.

And while I believe an 11yo girl can consent to sex with a same-age boyfriend, I don't believe that either of them know what the hell they're doing or getting into. But, at least in that case, neither of them is "taking advantage" of the other.

When an adult is involved with a child, the adult always looks down on the child. And the child naturally looks up to the adult. While a few preteen girls might want sex with an adult, it's up to the adult to say "No, I'm a grown up and you're a child. I know you think you want this and you probably do, but as the grown up it's my job to say, "no." It's when the adult thinks with the wrong head (or if a female, her girly parts) is when problems arise. Because the law says its rape, but society's views on rape don't involve two willing participants, regardless of age. It is confusing to an adult not thinking 100% straight and meaningless to a child, as even in their own eyes, they aren't being raped because they are consenting.

It's a conflict that will go on indefinitely until either everyone is in jail or the laws get changed. My grandmother got married at 13 to my grandfather who was 19. He was the stand up man of his community and even has a major street named after him. According to today's laws, he is a child sexual predator. That's almost so ridiculous it's funny. :lamo
 
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