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Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

Arcadius said:
Ignorance isn't a crime. I may disagree with them, but they still have the right to think what they want. Must you always react so intensely? And what is it with everyone that is trying to insinuate they are sub-human? As I believe playdrive said, "There's no point in denying reality."
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Ignorance is indeed not a crime, but any person that would not only defend those scumbag excuses for humans, but attempt to lay blame on the victim as well, is not only ignorant, but very much as equally sub-human as the 18 men and boys that gang-raped an 11 year old girl.
 
Dittohead not! said:
You actually have to ask?
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Obviously I do, as it doesn't appear that the girl was assaulted in any way. She was a willing participant. She wasn't hit, she wasn't forced, in fact so far we have no reason to believe she's been physically injured at all. So, I can understand disgusting, but what was 'brutal' about it?
 
Jerry said:
Obviously I do, as it doesn't appear that the girl was assaulted in any way. She was a willing participant. She wasn't hit, she wasn't forced, in fact so far we have no reason to believe she's been physically injured at all. So, I can understand disgusting, but what was 'brutal' about it?
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According to the complaint, she wasn't willing at all. She was taken to an abandoned trailer and told to submit or she would be hurt. The truth is though, even if she had been "willing", it's still rape and it's still brutal.
 
DiAnna said:
I started this thread utterly disgusted by the brutal crime. I am ending this thread utterly disgusted by some of the posters. Those posters, and you know who the hell you are, should be ashamed of yourselves. The fact that you're not is a testament to your narcissim and lack of humanity.
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Get with the program, Diana! It was really just a trivial act because it could have been 19 men raping a 10 year old child, instead.
 
X Factor said:
According to the complaint, she wasn't willing at all. She was taken to an abandoned trailer and told to submit or she would be hurt.
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That's not what the OP's source says.

X Factor said:
The truth is though, even if she had been "willing", it's still rape and it's still brutal.
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See you're just tossing out 'brutal' for the emotional appeal, and that is disgusting because you are demeaning victims who were beaten nearly to death.
 
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Grant said:
The word "rape" doesn't bother you at all though it seems.

No emotional response whatsoever.
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More emotional appeal.

Disgusting applies, brutal doesn't. I see nothing 'brutal' about this rape.
 
Jerry said:
That's not what the OP's source says.
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There are other sources.

See you're just tossing out 'brutal' for the emotional appeal, and that is discussing because you are demeaning victims who were beaten nearly to death.
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There are things about other rapes that make them brutal. Physical assault is only one thing. This one was brutal because of the victim's age and the sheer number of guys that climbed on her. You cannot tell me she "wanted" that.
 
Jerry said:
More emotional appeal.

Disgusting applies, brutal doesn't. I see nothing 'brutal' about this rape.
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Yes, I know. You said that. You feel there is nothing brutal about 19 men raping an 11 year old.

Understood.
 
Arcadius said:
When compared with other things, yes it is. You can call me heartless, Carlin knows it wouldn't be the first time, but rape to this degree on all ages is a fairly common occurrence, and compared to other acts it's detrimental effects (which is I assume why we classify it as evil) are minuscule at best, in light of this, acts like this one seem somewhat minor. Don't think I don't have sympathy for this girl. But to me it just seems like paying attention to a gunfight while a nuclear explosion is going off behind me. There's just too much evil in the world for me to get worked up over something as minor as this. I know I seem really heartless, but try dropping your emotions for a second and view things from a purely objective, more logical standpoint.
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But this is an issue that can be delt with more easily than the greater evils that you mention. It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.
 
Grant said:
Yes, I know. You said that. You feel there is nothing brutal about 19 men raping an 11 year old.

Understood.
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Not when she so clearly wanted it, no.
 
X Factor said:
There are other sources.

There are things about other rapes that make them brutal. Physical assault is only one thing. This one was brutal because of the victim's age and the sheer number of guys that climbed on her. You cannot tell me she "wanted" that.
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The OP said it.
 
Jerry said:
The OP said it.
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And you think what? The OP must be the only news source out there?

Actually, forget that. Where does the OP say she wanted it?
 
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Grant said:
An 11-year-old little girl "clearly wanted it"?

You know when little children "clearly want it", do you?
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And the personal insults begin :peace

I think you're way to emotionally invested in a thread everyone is going to forget soon.
 
Jerry said:
And the personal insults begin :peace

I think you're way to emotionally invested in a thread everyone is going to forget soon.
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I don't doubt the flames are probably coming, but that wasn't an insult. More like an incredulous question.
 
X Factor said:
I don't doubt the flames are probably coming, but that wasn't an insult. More like an incredulous question.
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Well if you want to get down and dirty about it, yes I believe I can tell when a pre-teen is looking for sex. Many of my foster siblings were sexually abused and behaving provocatively, overtly so, is how they learned to get attention. Obviously the 11 year old in this story comes from a similar background; broken home, parents are criminals, living in a sexualized environment, etc.

Yes I can easily believe a scenario where an 11 year old girl with this background would seek out grown men to have sex with.

They're still disgusting predators, but that doesn't mean they had to force her to have sex. In fact, taking advantage of her hyper-sexualized view of the world is what makes them disgusting. But again, that doesn't mean they forced this on her.
 
Jerry said:
Well if you want to get down and dirty about it, yes I believe I can tell when a pre-teen is looking for sex. Many of my foster siblings were sexually abused and behaving provocatively, overtly so, is how they learned to get attention. Obviously the 11 year old in this story comes from a similar background; broken home, parents are criminals, living in a sexualized environment, etc.

Yes I can easily believe a scenario where an 11 year old girl with this background would seek out grown men to have sex with.

They're still disgusting predators, but that doesn't mean they had to force her to have sex. In fact, taking advantage of her hyper-sexualized view of the world is what makes them disgusting. But again, that doesn't mean they forced this on her.
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So, do you believe a crime has been committed here?
 
X Factor said:
So, do you believe a crime has been committed here?
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See that's the problem.
I inquire about one small piece of someone's hyper-emotional appeal, and you all think I therefore support rape and think this is all ok. Anyone who responds must completely throe they're entire support behind any irrational emotional out-pour or their the worst demon anyone has ever seen.

This girl wanted this to happen, and that should be more alarming than your typical child predator. We all know what pedophiles are, we can point to them and demonize them, but when the victim seeks out the perp, that's something the public isn't used to dealing with.
 
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Jerry said:
See that's the problem.
I inquire about one small piece of someone's hyper-emotional appeal, and you all think I therefore support rape and think this is all ok. Anyone who responds must completely throe they're entire support behind any irrational emotional out-pour or their the worst demon anyone has ever seen.

This girl wanted this to happen, and that should be more alarming than your typical child predator. We all know what pedophiles are, we can point to them and demonize them, but when the victim seeks out the perp, that's something the public isn't used to dealing with.
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And yet, you haven't actually answered my question. Oh, btw, we don't demonize pedos, they demonize themselves.
 
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