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Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

X Factor said:
Vigilante justice is still justice, and murder is simply a legal concept that varies from state to state. In most states "sudden passion" is a mitigating factor that can reduce murder to manslaughter. Granted, it get's a little hard to argue sudden passion after about your 11th kill.
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We can't trust individuals to deal out proper punishment for crimes. Individuals don't need proper evidence, nor do they discern things out rationally. No matter what crime the victim has committed, any respectable court would try them as a murderer. We can't just let people go around killing people, no matter how justified some would see it to be.
 
Arcadius said:
I think what he's trying to say is there's a difference between a little girl being brutally forced to engage in sexual activities, and a little girl willingly engaging in sexual activities. I think he's not saying that either should be accepted behavior, but that one obviously requires a much greater level of sadism, and that that should effect our judgement of it. He's also saying that we hardly know anything at this point, and we shouldn't be passing such extreme judgement yet. At the very worst he's saying that children have the proper knowledge and judgement skills to make an informed decision on whether or not to have sex. I think he's simply acknowledging that technically they can consent, as any conscious being can consent.

Even if I'm wrong he's nowhere near as ignorant as the people; Who are basically just saying the little girl was a slut and was asking for it.



I fail to see how his views are similar to their's.
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Shoot, I didn't even see DoL's post that the girl is lying. That supports what I've said. I don't have time right now to compile the other posts that led me to my conclusion. I'll have to do that later.
 
X Factor said:
Shoot, I didn't even see DoL's post that the girl is lying. That supports what I've said. I don't have time right now to compile the other posts that led me to my conclusion. I'll have to do that later.
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Don't worry, I've already proven you wrong. No need to waste your time trying to caress your little ego.

You ever heard of a crime of passion? That's not an excuse for the killer to walk, just to try to avoid the death penalty.

Arcadius said:
We can't trust individuals to deal out proper punishment for crimes. Individuals don't need proper evidence, nor do they discern things out rationally. No matter what crime the victim has committed, any respectable court would try them as a murderer. We can't just let people go around killing people, no matter how justified some would see it to be.
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And why can't we trust them? Because people like him would have not hesitated to kill that teacher for being accused of molesting those two little girls. Come to find out later, she didn't do anything. X factor wouldn't care, he is of the mindset that if 10 innocent people die its better than one guilty person walking as he's already stated in this thread (I think it was him) that its ok if a few "innocents" die just so long as the guilty one dies too. As long as he keeps an attitude like that, he isn't worth reasoning with.
 
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dontworrybehappy said:
Really? Well just like most on the right, you might want to open your eyes and read what's actually been posted.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...11-year-old-girl-texas-12.html#post1059334866

And for the record, for the idiots on here who think I condone this ****, in no way do I think this girl consented. Even if she said yes, at 11, she has no idea what shes saying yes to. Now, rightwingnutjobs, is that clear enough?

Jeez, it's like reasoning with a dead rat.
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Even the dead rat has you beat by several IQ points. Why you think you have any credibility here is beyond me. It's too late to make assertions like that and be believed. You've already tipped your hand.
 
Arcadius said:
We can't trust individuals to deal out proper punishment for crimes. Individuals don't need proper evidence, nor do they discern things out rationally. No matter what crime the victim has committed, any respectable court would try them as a murderer. We can't just let people go around killing people, no matter how justified some would see it to be.
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I don't disagree with you on this necessarily. I understand why revenge killings cannot and should not be legal. I've never argued otherwise. I do think, though, that the circumstances surrounding such a killing should be something the jury gets to hear, then let the chips fall where they may.
 
X Factor said:
Even the dead rat has you beat by several IQ points. Why you think you have any credibility here is beyond me. It's too late to make assertions like that and be believed. You've already tipped your hand.
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LOL yea right, I'm not getting into a dick measuring contest with someone as imbicillic as you. But I promise you, people who read this thread will say that I look at things rationally, with links and stats, you just attack out of hate.

Yea, let me tell you, its MY credibility that's been hurt here. LOL ROTFLMAO
 
dontworrybehappy said:
Don't worry, I've already proven you wrong. No need to waste your time trying to caress your little ego.

You ever heard of a crime of passion? That's not an excuse for the killer to walk, just to try to avoid the death penalty.



And why can't we trust them? Because people like him would have not hesitated to kill that teacher for being accused of molesting those two little girls. Come to find out later, she didn't do anything. X factor wouldn't care, he is of the mindset that if 10 innocent people die its better than one guilty person walking as he's already stated in this thread (I think it was him) that its ok if a few "innocents" die just so long as the guilty one dies too. As long as he keeps an attitude like that, he isn't worth reasoning with.
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dontworrybehappy said:
LOL yea right, I'm not getting into a dick measuring contest with someone as imbicillic as you. But I promise you, people who read this thread will say that I look at things rationally, with links and stats, you just attack out of hate.

Yea, let me tell you, its MY credibility that's been hurt here. LOL ROTFLMAO
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Insulting him doesn't really do wonders for your image. You aren't aggressively going against his point. You're just kind of taking pointless shots at him. All this does is turn this thread into the stage for a flame war, which it has pretty much already become. So, please stop contributing to the problem.
 
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Arcadius said:
Insulting him doesn't really do wonders for your image. You aren't aggressively going against his point. You're just kind of taking pointless shots at him.
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He has no point. His point has been proven wrong with links. All he's doing is taking pointless shots at me. So I reply back. If he can't take it, don't dish it out. He says I support the ****, I prove him wrong, and so he insults me. And it's ME that is contributing to the problem? LOLOL I think you need to stop only quoting me and quote what I am replying to, otherwise you're just as biased as he is.
 
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Arcadius said:
You're just condemning everyone who didn't react with intense anger and disgust.
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Anger and disgust at the gang rape of children is a natural, human reaction for those with a healthy sense of compassion, and with a decent sense of right and wrong.

Those who DON'T react with anger and disgust give every indication of a pathology of some sort -- most likely, thay of a sociopath with an incapability to feel empathy.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
Don't worry, I've already proven you wrong. No need to waste your time trying to caress your little ego.
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Hummmm, could you be more obvious about not wanting me to compile some of your posts? That just makes me want to do it more. It'll be something for you to look forward to.

You ever heard of a crime of passion? That's not an excuse for the killer to walk, just to try to avoid the death penalty.
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Ever hear of it? I'm the one who brought it up. :roll:



And why can't we trust them? Because people like him would have not hesitated to kill that teacher for being accused of molesting those two little girls. Come to find out later, she didn't do anything. X factor wouldn't care, he is of the mindset that if 10 innocent people die its better than one guilty person walking as he's already stated in this thread (I think it was him) that its ok if a few "innocents" die just so long as the guilty one dies too. As long as he keeps an attitude like that, he isn't worth reasoning with.
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Nope, never said that. Just add it to your growing list of falsehoods.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
He has no point. His point has been proven wrong with links. All he's doing is taking pointless shots at me. So I reply back. If he can't take it, don't dish it out.
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Then don't degrade yourself. I still maintained civility when everyone in the thread was insulting me. I believe Gandhi was the one who said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
 
Arcadius said:
I still maintained civility when everyone in the thread was insulting me.
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You also maintained that gang raping children is insignifigant.
 
Arcadius said:
Then don't degrade yourself. I still maintained civility when everyone in the thread was insulting me. I believe Gandhi was the one who said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
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He's already blind. He's ignored multiple posts where I said I was clearly against what happened and didn't support it. I'm not going to just let someone attack and lie about me, I will defend myself. If you want the fight to stop, tell him to stop throwing punches.
 
Gardener said:
You also maintained that gang raping children is insignifigant.
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That's not what he said. It's not cool to be the leader in a straw man based witch hunt Gardener.
 
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dontworrybehappy said:
LOL yea right, I'm not getting into a dick measuring contest with someone as imbicillic as you. But I promise you, people who read this thread will say that I look at things rationally, with links and stats, you just attack out of hate.

Yea, let me tell you, its MY credibility that's been hurt here. LOL ROTFLMAO
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I seriously doubt people reading this thread are as impressed with you as you are.;)
 
theplaydrive said:
My comment to him was based on him implying that he won't read my posts because he's disagreed with other things I've posted in the past. I was saying that I'm more open to accepting other people's opinions because I would never limit myself from reading other people's posts because of past disagreements. I hope that makes sense.

Bottom line: I do not think that my opinions are more valid or truthful than others. I do think I'm more open to listening to other people's opinions than RevH is though based on his comment. (Perhaps that doesn't show sometimes, I get frustrated in here.)
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when you make comments like this on someones opinion:


theplaydrive said:
You corrected the truth with a lie. Please don't do that again.
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Don't whine when someone else states he's seen all he needs to see from you. I am not even looking for the last exchange we had where I noticed you may be one of those guys.... :shrug:
 
Gardener said:
Anger and disgust at the gang rape of children is a natural, human reaction for those with a healthy sense of compassion, and with a decent sense of right and wrong.

Those who DON'T react with anger and disgust give every indication of a pathology of some sort -- most likely, thay of a sociopath with an incapability to feel empathy.
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I have sympathy for the victim, but I don't have any hatred for the criminal. Hate is a worthless emotion in my book.
 
Hatuey said:
That's not what he said. It's not cool to be the leader in a straw man based witch hunt Gardener.
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Post #207 in this thread he certainly did, Hatuey.


Speaking of not cool........
 
Arcadius said:
I think punishment and retribution are very juvenile concepts when regarding crime. In this case I think the perpetrators should simply be removed from society, to keep them from harming anyone else. Instead people are just saying they should be murdered or castrated. And my favorite, that they are somehow sub-human. This is one of the reasons I value logic over emotion.
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They are subhuman, they are savages, and should be treated as such. your posturing about being an unemotional human, is a front, or you are a sociopath. Fact is we are human, and unless one is quite ****ed up, they have emotions attached to things. You claim no emotion, but I don't think you've ever been challenged enough to truly know. I think you would lose this facade of no-emotion if someone raped someone close to you.... :shrug:
 
dontworrybehappy said:
He has no point. His point has been proven wrong with links. All he's doing is taking pointless shots at me. So I reply back. If he can't take it, don't dish it out. He says I support the ****, I prove him wrong, and so he insults me. And it's ME that is contributing to the problem? LOLOL I think you need to stop only quoting me and quote what I am replying to, otherwise you're just as biased as he is.
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Oh, you're such a victim. You started with the personal stuff first. I haven't even begun to flame. Back out now, before you get you your feelers hurt some more.
 
Arcadius said:
I believe my words were, "It seems insignificant when compared to other crimes."
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Yes, that was the nature of your sophistry designed to trivialize.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
He's already blind. He's ignored multiple posts where I said I was clearly against what happened and didn't support it. I'm not going to just let someone attack and lie about me, I will defend myself. If you want the fight to stop, tell him to stop throwing punches.
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Heck, by some of your earlier arguments, you're just getting what you've asked for. Isn't it about time for you to start reporting my posts?
 
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Gardener said:
Post #207 in this thread he certainly did, Hatuey.

Speaking of not cool........
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I read the post and that's not what he said. He said it was insignificant when compared to other attrocities humanity has carried out. Which is true.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Unbelievable....

I am lost for words about how unbelievably ignorant and wrong this post is.
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You religious fundies are just trying to impose your personal morals on others again.
 
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