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Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

Arcadius said:
No this is pretty common human behavior. In fact it seems pretty insignificant when you look at some of our other gems.
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Bull****, this is not insignificant at all.
 
Arcadius said:
No this is pretty common human behavior. In fact it seems pretty insignificant when you look at some of our other gems.
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The greater human inhumanity does not in any way detract from the significance of this horrid act.
 
X Factor said:
Bull****, this is not insignificant at all.
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I'm just saying compared to some other things that go on in the world it's not really that bad. At least there was only one victim. At least she's still alive. At least people are actually paying attention to her.
 
mac said:
The greater human inhumanity does not in any way detract from the significance of this horrid act.
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I'm not saying it's not horrible. I'm saying the significance of other acts casts a shadow that makes this one look insignificant to me. I deplore acts like this one. But I can't help but see how small it is compared to other things. I'd give some sort of example, but I'd rather not think about such a thing.
 
Arcadius said:
I'm not saying it's not horrible. I'm saying the significance of other acts casts a shadow that makes this one look insignificant to me. I deplore acts like this one. But I can't help but see how small it is compared to other things. I'd give some sort of example, but I'd rather not think about such a thing.
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Horrid acts like this are measured individually, not in comparison to other horrid acts. You can not diminish what happened to her because you feel something as bad or worse happened to someone else.
 
mac said:
Horrid acts like this are measured individually, not in comparison to other horrid acts. You can not diminish what happened to her because you feel something as bad or worse happened to someone else.
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So, you're saying that this act is equal to the Darfur genocide. Haven't you ever heard of the lesser of two evils? I can not condone rape. But one has two acknowledge the amount of damage caused by one crime, and the amount of damage caused by another.
 
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dontworrybehappy said:
So you're admitting you base your ideals off of emotion. That is not what I said, that is your interpretation of my words.

.That's not how the law is set up. Nobody is talking about the law, we are talking about what a father would do if his daughter was raped.

So continue to push that to justify your behavior on here and all you do is prove your opinion is biased.I'm not trying to justify anything, I am just telling you what I would do. Take it or leave it.

You're basically saying that because I don't have kids, my opinion is "not qualified" and I will turn that around on you and say because you DO have kids, your opinion is biased, thus not qualified. See how easy that is?Turn it around any way you want, doesn't change your qualifications and knowledge on the matter of children and fathers.

And why keep just mentioning daughters? Sons are sexually abused every day too. What, they don't count? The fact that you specify the sex of the child to matter bothers me greatly.This story is about a daughter and I have experience with daughters. It could easily apply to boys, but in this case it does not.
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Try to keep up.
 
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Arcadius said:
So, you're saying that this act is equal to the Darfur genocide. Haven't you ever heard of the lesser of two evils? I can not condone rape. But one has two acknowledge the amount of damage caused by one crime, and the amount of damage caused by another.
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Death is death. You look at these things individually. You do a disservice to equate away inhuman behavior. How can anything be "bad" in light of the Darfur Genocide...or the Holocaust. It can because it is regardless of Darfur or the Holocaust.
 
mac said:
Death is death. You look at these things individually. You do a disservice to equate away inhuman behavior. How can anything be "bad" in light of the Darfur Genocide...or the Holocaust. It can because it is regardless of Darfur or the Holocaust.
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So, you're saying all inhuman behavior melds together. So, if you could somehow stop nuclear war, but you had to allow this same thing to happen to another little girl, you wouldn't because both acts are ultimately both damaging and evil? I'm going by the amount of damage two things cause. It's safe to say the holocaust did far more damage than this. I would wish this on a little girl a thousand times if it would stop something like the holocaust from happening. I have nothing but disdain for this kind of behavior, but one has to look at things realistically. One's detrimental effects are greater than the other's. You're looking it things through your own philosophical filter. I'm just looking at things from a purely objective standpoint.
 
Arcadius said:
So, you're saying all inhuman behavior melds together. So, if you could somehow stop nuclear war, but you had to allow this same thing to happen to another little girl, you wouldn't because both acts are ultimately both damaging and evil? I'm going by the amount of damage two things cause. It's safe to say the holocaust did far more damage than this. I would wish this on a little girl a thousand times if it would stop something like the holocaust from happening. I have nothing but disdain for this kind of behavior, but one has to look at things realistically. One's detrimental effects are greater than the other's. You're looking it things through your own philosophical filter. I'm just looking at things from a purely objective standpoint.
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No, I'm saying all inhuman behavior must be viewed individually, not in comparison to other inhuman behavior.

I'm not going to play what if games....
 
X Factor said:
I'm sorry, are you saying a child can validly consent to sex?
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That depends on the child. However, at age 11 I would say most are capable of engaging in consensual sexual activity, even if you think that is wrong.
 
Demon of Light said:
That depends on the child. However, at age 11 I would say most are capable of engaging in consensual sexual activity, even if you think that is wrong.
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Does your interpreting it as "consensual" help you rationalize the pedophilia?
 
mac said:
No, I'm saying all inhuman behavior must be viewed individually, not in comparison to other inhuman behavior.

I'm not going to play what if games....
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Well, I'm sorry, but I apply analytical thinking to everything. And I can't ignore the obvious difference in detrimental effects. This to me makes certain crimes take prevalence over others. But, I wouldn't really expect anyone to understand my world perspective.
 
Temporal said:
Are you sure they're not Muslim? Surely these people can't be your 'average joe' white guys. After all, the villains these days can never be us!

Texans do no wrong, after all. :roll:
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no...just average black guys.
 
I have an idea. How about we have each one of those 'men,' replay the entire ordeal, except they are on the receiving end instead.
 
Arcadius said:
This story doesn't even come close to the 'evil' that humans have committed. As I said this is a very common crime. This is hardly an example. Sorry, I have a problem with speaking like I'm separate from the rest of the human race.
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Dang, I was hoping there was a typing dolphin on the board or something. That would have been really interesting.

Yes, there have been worse examples, like Pol Pot, or Hitler's "final solution." Go back in history, and you can find some pretty horrible acts.

But, in the US, in peace time, 18 sub human individuals raping a little girl? That has to be right up there with the worst.
 
Gardener said:
Does your interpreting it as "consensual" help you rationalize the pedophilia?
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It is not a question of interpretation. Legal consent and actual consent are not the same thing. As for pedophilia that is a term to describe a specific sexual appetite for pre-pubescent individuals. Someone who is 11 is not pre-pubescent. In fact, if this girl in question truly appeared to be as developed as many post-pubescent individuals then there is no aberration in their sexual interest at all.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
I have an idea. How about we have each one of those 'men,' replay the entire ordeal, except they are on the receiving end instead.
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Before we give them each a double-tap to the head...right?

I'm game!
 
Demon of Light said:
That depends on the child. However, at age 11 I would say most are capable of engaging in consensual sexual activity, even if you think that is wrong.
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The thing is, they can give consent, but it's meaningless.

Demon of Light said:
It is not a question of interpretation. Legal consent and actual consent are not the same thing. As for pedophilia that is a term to describe a specific sexual appetite for pre-pubescent individuals. Someone who is 11 is not pre-pubescent. In fact, if this girl in question truly appeared to be as developed as many post-pubescent individuals then there is no aberration in their sexual interest at all.
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This is crap and creepy as well. I cannot imagine looking at an 11 year old that way and any grown man who does is a perv. 11 is a child, they do not have the decision making capabilities of an adult, plus they're easily manipulated. If you need that kind of unfair advantage over a girl then you are truly a loser, not to mention a criminal.
 
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dontworrybehappy said:
This has nothing to do with anything. I know plenty of kids in our extended family and I STILL don't want an innocent man killed. Sorry.
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Not an innocent man, no. One of the ********ers that gang raped my little girl? Ohhhhhhhh yeah!

C'mon, tee! If this happened on the south side of Crowley and I left a few bodies in the basin; what jury in Acadia Parish would convict me? Seriously!
 
Arcadius said:
No this is pretty common human behavior. In fact it seems pretty insignificant when you look at some of our other gems.
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The gang rape of an 11 yr old is not insignificant! It's a wonder her vagina and uterus weren't ruptured after having been forcibly violated nearly 20 times. :2mad:
 
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