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Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

Bodhisattva said:
Most of you know that I have two daughters... changes one's perspective a bit.
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I know you did, and I know it does. I also have two...and two boys. -5 inbound and hopping for another boy. (Well, praying)
 
dontworrybehappy said:
This has nothing to do with anything. I know plenty of kids in our extended family and I STILL don't want an innocent man killed. Sorry.
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It has an aweful lot more to do with it than you realize. There is an incredible difference in knowing kids in your extended family and having kids of your own.
 
mac said:
It has an aweful lot more to do with it than you realize. There is an incredible difference in knowing kids in your extended family and having kids of your own.
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I don't have children, but I know several people with children including my own parents who have said in similar arguments that they would use not violence against someone who hurt their children even though they would want to. They just don't view violence or revenge as a healthy means of relieving anger.

We get that you love your children and would be filled with so much rage that you COULD kill someone; that sentiment isn't difficult to understand, not even for someone without children. But someone's decision to act on that emotion or to kill or otherwise harm another person does not depend on whether or not they have children, it depends on the morality, ethics and general worldview they hold regardless of their emotions.
 
James D. Evans III, an attorney who represents three of the defendants, insists: "This is not a case of a child who was enslaved or taken advantage of."
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How proud James D. Evans II and Jim Jr. must be of James III.

A CHILD can not consent to sex. She was RAPED.
 
theplaydrive said:
I don't have children, but I know several people with children including my own parents who have said in similar arguments that they would use not violence against someone who hurt their children even though they would want to. They just don't view violence or revenge as a healthy means of relieving anger.
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It's easy for them to say that and never be tested on it.

We get that you love your children and would be filled with so much rage that you COULD kill someone; that sentiment isn't difficult to understand, not even for someone without children. But someone's decision to act on that emotion or to kill or otherwise harm another person does not depend on whether or not they have children, it depends on the morality, ethics and general worldview they hold regardless of their emotions.
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I oppose the death penalty, at my own hands or at the hands of others. I've not said I would seek such revenge, but know well enough as a parent not to rule it out or question the motives of others that would.
 
mac said:
It's easy for them to say that and never be tested on it.



I oppose the death penalty, at my own hands or at the hands of others. I've not said I would seek such revenge, but know well enough as a parent not to rule it out or question the motives of others that would.
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You have an answer for everything.
 
DiAnna said:
This crime is too horrific, too vicious for me to wrap my mind around. But it gets worse. The entire family is getting death threats. The town is actually divided about whose fault this was, the males or the little girl... or the girl's parents! All of the family's kids have had to leave town and relocate, and some of the lawyers for the boys are saying things like, "This is not a case of a child who was enslaved or taken advantage of." WTF??? 18 men and boys (or more, some say based on dozens of videos taken during the attacks it could be as many as 28 men) GANG-RAPED an 11-yr. old., but didn't enslave or take advantage of her? And half the effing town agrees?

What the hell kind of people live in Cleveland, Texas??
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I thought this would be interesting to look at:

Cleveland, Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As of the census[2] of 2000, there were 7,605 people, 2,645 households, and 1,758 families residing in the city. The population density was 1,580.5 people per square mile (610.5/km²). There were 2,976 housing units at an average density of 618.5/sq mi (238.9/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 58.65% White, 27.13% African American, 0.33% Native American, 0.59% Asian, 11.58% from other races, and 1.72% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 20.51% of the population.

There were 2,645 households out of which 34.0% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 42.4% were married couples living together, 19.0% had a female householder with no husband present, and 33.5% were non-families. 29.2% of all households were made up of individuals and 13.9% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.63 and the average family size was 3.27.

In the city, the population was spread out with 27.4% under the age of 18, 10.7% from 18 to 24, 29.6% from 25 to 44, 18.3% from 45 to 64, and 14.0% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 33 years. For every 100 females there were 101.0 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 101.7 males.

The median income for a household in the city was $24,164, and the median income for a family was $28,527. Males had a median income of $28,385 versus $17,889 for females. The per capita income for the city was $13,562. About 19.3% of families and 22.4% of the population were below the poverty line, including 31.8% of those under age 18 and 16.1% of those age 65 or over.
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Sounds like a third world country.
 
I played doctor when I was 6...


but Im going to run away from demon now.
 
I guarantee you something similar to this happened multiple times today. This was just reported and it happened close to home. I'm sorry to admit that crimes like this are very abundant. I can't help but not get hyped up at all about this.

Why is everyone calling them animals? That is disservice to the animal population. These are men. Men will always commit savagery that surpasses the wildest beast. This your species, stop trying to distance yourself from it.
 
Arcadius said:
I guarantee you something similar to this happened multiple times today. This was just reported and it happened close to home. I'm sorry to admit that crimes like this are very abundant. I can't help but not get hyped up at all about this.

Why is everyone calling them animals? That is disservice to the animal population. These are men. Men will always commit savagery that surpasses the wildest beast. This your species, stop trying to distance yourself from it.
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Heck, I agree with you, one can only be evil if they are able to appreciate what's right and wrong. Animals can't but men can.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
This has nothing to do with anything. I know plenty of kids in our extended family and I STILL don't want an innocent man killed. Sorry.
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Not knowing something or having no experience with a thing hardly qualifies one to say that "this has nothing to do with anything." In fact it has everthing to do with it. Once you have a daughter, everything changes. I have 3.
 
cholla said:
Not knowing something or having no experience with a thing hardly qualifies one to say that "this has nothing to do with anything." In fact it has everthing to do with it. Once you have a daughter, everything changes. I have 3.
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So you're admitting you base your ideals off of emotion. That's not how the law is set up. So continue to push that to justify your behavior on here and all you do is prove your opinion is biased. You're basically saying that because I don't have kids, my opinion is "not qualified" and I will turn that around on you and say because you DO have kids, your opinion is biased, thus not qualified. See how easy that is?

And why keep just mentioning daughters? Sons are sexually abused every day too. What, they don't count? The fact that you specify the sex of the child to matter bothers me greatly.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
So you're admitting you base your ideals off of emotion. That's not how the law is set up. So continue to push that to justify your behavior on here and all you do is prove your opinion is biased. You're basically saying that because I don't have kids, my opinion is "not qualified" and I will turn that around on you and say because you DO have kids, your opinion is biased, thus not qualified. See how easy that is?
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It looks to me that he is acknowledging that emotion plays a factor, like it does with nearly every human being to one extent or another. No one said your opinion is not qualified, what was said is that having kids would likely affect that opinion. Talking definitively on an issue from your perspective unaffected by your own children while judging the opinions of those with children is childish, and absurd.

And why keep just mentioning daughters? Sons are sexually abused every day too. What, they don't count? The fact that you specify the sex of the child to matter bothers me greatly.
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Because he has daughters. I have both, and mentioned both.
 
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Arcadius said:
I guarantee you something similar to this happened multiple times today. This was just reported and it happened close to home. I'm sorry to admit that crimes like this are very abundant. I can't help but not get hyped up at all about this.

Why is everyone calling them animals? That is disservice to the animal population. These are men. Men will always commit savagery that surpasses the wildest beast. This your species, stop trying to distance yourself from it.
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Yes, no doubt my species is capable of indescribable acts of evil, as the rape story demonstrates.

Your species is, what again?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yes, no doubt my species is capable of indescribable acts of evil, as the rape story demonstrates.

Your species is, what again?
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This story doesn't even come close to the 'evil' that humans have committed. As I said this is a very common crime. This is hardly an example. Sorry, I have a problem with speaking like I'm separate from the rest of the human race.
 
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SE102 said:
It's unfathomable, really. It's hard to get 18 total psychopaths of that calibre into one room.
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Yeah, I know about collective psychology, but these were grown up adults. Were they all that stupid? Yowzer!
 
Marilyn Monroe said:
Yeah, I know about collective psychology, but these were grown up adults. Were they all that stupid? Yowzer!
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Some of them were adults, some of them were children. I think that further compounds the quilt of the adults.
 
I can understand maybe one pedophile doing it, 2 at most. But 18 adults and teenagers raping the same pre-pubescent kid? I mean COME ON people, don't tell me they're all stupid pedophiles.
 
USA_1 said:
Sounds like there is plenty of video evidence. Stupid kids now adays record everything.
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And how is that a bad thing, if someone hadn't recorded it, nobody would know.
 
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