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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    I just cannot understand those who are blaming the victim and defending the perpetrators unless they are trying to rationalize something in their own experience.

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    Nobody has blamed the victim, this is a perversion of several of the arguments being made in here. The closest statement that anyone made to that is: "It is possible that she willingly had sex with some or all of those men."

    I am inclined to disagree and believe that even if she willingly had sex with one or two (maybe the 14 year olds), she was raped by many more. In the same light, I'm not sure this was the appropriate place to bring the argument up considering how obvious it is people were going to attack anyone who made it.

    Nonetheless, the above statement is not victim blaming. Victim blaming would have been, 'Those guys didn't rape her' or 'It's her fault for coming onto them'.

    Not a single person has said that or implied it. On the other hand, those who have accused others of victim blaming do so under assumption that 11 year olds never have sex and that anyone who acknowledges the reality that this has happened in the past are 'victim blamers'. Maybe she had sex with one of the younger ones, he told some people and the rest of them took advantage and raped her.

    None of us know the entire story, but it's such a perversion of people's arguments to say that in bringing up possibilities, anyone has blamed the victim.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    No!!!!! That the victimness of the victim is NOT in doubt!!! Damn dude!!! Stop trying to make me out to be a villain and read what is written!!!!
    I did read what you wrote. And unless you're new to English, you aren't writing what you think you are writing. let's break it down:

    I'm pretty sure she was a victim.
    Meaning: it's possible she's not.

    "Alleged" carries with it an assumption that there is definite doubt.
    Alleged is not used here to indicate doubt, it's used to indicate that as of yet, the perpetrator has not been convicted. The "alleged" rapist = The "accused" rapist.

    Whether or not each individual is guilty or not, something bad went on inside that trailer that she honestly did not want nor deserve.
    The only way anyone is innocent in this situation is if they were not present at the time this occured. Everyone in that trailer at the time that girl was being raped is guilty of Rape or accessory to rape. (once proven in court)

    She is definitely a victim, DOL.
    So is it definitely, or probably?
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    I attacked no one. If you think I did, report me. Nothing stopping you, is there?
    Debatable, and reporting people is for sissies...

    You're already showing your ignorance. There is no "megans list." There is a megans law. There is an adam walsh act. A "jessicas law". With the excepton of Megan, there are some HUGE holes in the crimes that created the jessicas law and adam walsh act.
    Oh brother... I have referred to the Megan's Law website as the Megan's Law website repeatedly and if you think that one time calling it Megan's List is anything other than an abbreviated version of that with a typo, "L"" then I don't hold out much hope for your critical thinking skills buddy, because that is truly pathetic.

    However, to answer your question, since it was a good question, I actually do think they should be put on a list. I just don't think that list should be in the publics hands. Obviously they can't handle it.
    Some people can't handle it and those that can't should be arrested and tried as criminals, if they commit an offense...

    Now, will you answer this question for me. Why haven't you addressed anything I spoke of earlier, the vigilante violence on sex offenders, the harassment of the offender and their family, etc? Do you not care about ALL children, or just "some"? What about the kids of these offenders? Do you not care that they are humiliated and yet they are innocent? What about the wives, girlfriends, parents, etc?
    I have spoken about this. I do care that innocent people are accused and convicted of crimes that they don't commit, of course. Who wouldn't. That is really not much of a counter argument against the many many MANY more that do, and THAT ARE GUILTY. I don't want the innocent humiliated. Who does? I want the guilty humiliated though...

    And you keep saying "child molesters and rapists" but that's not sex offenders. Thats child molesters and rapist. Someone that downloads photos is neither, someone that pees behind a tree is neither, someone that is 18 with a 17yo girlfriend (YES, in Arizona that will get you on the list) is neither, so make sure you specify child molester and rapist, don't say sex offender, because that's too "all inclusive."
    I specifically addressed the 18 year old having sex with the 17 year old... and as mac pointed out, there is a 3 year gap that is allowed meaning that an 18 year old can have sex with a 16 year old and it is not statutory rape. I don't think that a 17 and 18 year old having sex is a crime. I think that a person downloading certain types of photos are criminals, since they are contributing demand to an illegal activity. Peeing behind a tree is not a crime, and as I said, some of the things being listed as crimes should not be listed as crimes.

    And no, you're not on ignore. I just told you not to contact me via PM. I haven't put anyone on ignore. No reason to. It makes threads too hard to follow if you do that. Only in extreme cases would I do that. I think on 12 forums I'm a member of maybe 1 person has been put on ignore. None on this site
    When it is all said and done, I appear to be much more realistic and open here than you, based off of what we are both sayin'. Just sayin'
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I'm pretty sure she was a victim.
    Meaning: it's possible she's not.
    it is possible she's not. highly improbably, but it is theoretically possible... if we are going to get nit picky and disect every single comment made.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

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    Debatable, and reporting people is for sissies...
    You had me at sissies...
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    it is possible she's not. highly improbably, but it is theoretically possible... if we are going to get nit picky and disect every single comment made.
    Well, later he said she's definately not a victim....in the same post....if he's gonna get bent about people "twisting" his words....his train of thought should be moving in a straight line..or at least have all the cars on the same track......just sayin
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    another stunningly stupid example of reich wing logic:
    Republican lawmaker blames 11-year-old victim of alleged gang rape | The Raw Story

    ... Republican Florida state Rep. Kathleen Passidomo.

    During debate over a bill that would legislate a dress code for Florida students, Passidomo blamed the alleged gang raping of an 11-year-old in Cleveland, Texas on the way the young girl was dressed.

    "There was an article about an 11 year old girl who was gangraped in Texas by 18 young men because she was dressed like a 21-year-old prostitute," Passidomo declared. ...
    stay classy, republican politicians
    blame an 11 year old girl for being gang raped
    as if there is any excuse for rape, ever
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    another stunningly stupid example of reich wing logic:
    Republican lawmaker blames 11-year-old victim of alleged gang rape | The Raw Story


    stay classy, republican politicians
    blame an 11 year old girl for being gang raped
    as if there is any excuse for rape, ever
    Funny, most of the people blaming the victim in this thread have been from the other side of the fence. There's no left or right for stupid, apparently.

    Thanks for re-introducing partisan hackery in the thread though.
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