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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    I just cannot understand those who are blaming the victim and defending the perpetrators unless they are trying to rationalize something in their own experience.

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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, alleged means their crimes have not yet been proven in court.
    Exactly. The papers always say "alleged", even when the perp has been caught red handed, as they don't want to give the defense an opening to say that the media prejudiced the jury and get a guilty party off.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, alleged means their crimes have not yet been proven in court.
    Read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote.

    I said "alleged" means there is doubt. Not proven in court means "not guilty" right now. But I was not referring to the perps, only her being a victim. He said "alleged victim" and I said that I honestly believe she was a victim, the "alleged" part is incorrect. You don't prove in court if someone is a victim.

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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by snilloctjc View Post
    Not that I agree in anyway with how you seem to have twisted this to a racial issue - but it's too late for Sharpton and Jackson.. The New Black Panther Party beat them to the punch

    "Quanell X, leader of the Black Panther movement in Houston - a mere 45 miles away - told ABC News: 'Every adult male that had sex with this child should go to prison, I don't care what the colour is.

    'But I do not believe black males are the only ones that had contact with this young child. It appears to me there's only been the selective prosecution of one community, which is African-American"


    Read more: Horrific gang rape by 18 men of girl, 11, in Texas sparks racial tension | Mail Online
    I'm not the one who twisted it into a racial issue. I was just commenting that someone surely would.....which they already have done. So is Quanell X's opinion that there were more than 18 guys who raped this girl and the cops just rounded up the 18 that were black?
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote.

    I said "alleged" means there is doubt. Not proven in court means "not guilty" right now. But I was not referring to the perps, only her being a victim. He said "alleged victim" and I said that I honestly believe she was a victim, the "alleged" part is incorrect. You don't prove in court if someone is a victim.
    It doesn't mean there is doubt. In America someone is always innocent (even when cought red handed) until proven guilty in court. In our system of law, not saying alleged before guilt is proven in court can lead to slander charges, that does not mean there is doubt.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It doesn't mean there is doubt. In America someone is always innocent (even when cought red handed) until proven guilty in court. In our system of law, not saying alleged before guilt is proven in court can lead to slander charges, that does not mean there is doubt.
    Again you're speaking of the perps I'm talking about the victim.

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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Again you're speaking of the perps I'm talking about the victim.
    The alleged victim? Is that what you're getting at? That the victim-ness of the victim is in doubt? Seriously?
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The alleged victim? Is that what you're getting at? That the victim-ness of the victim is in doubt? Seriously?
    it is semantics. since the alleged perpetrators have not yet been convicted, it could be argued that either a.) the victim-ness of the victim is in doubt or b.) the authorities arrested the wrong guys

    I'm no lawyer, but...I think one of the elements of the case that the prosecution must prove in court is that the rape/assault did in fact occur.

    so, technically, until someone is convicted she is an alleged victim.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The alleged victim? Is that what you're getting at? That the victim-ness of the victim is in doubt? Seriously?
    No!!!!! That the victimness of the victim is NOT in doubt!!! Damn dude!!! Stop trying to make me out to be a villain and read what is written!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    I'm pretty sure she was a victim. "Alleged" carries with it an assumption that there is definite doubt. Whether or not each individual is guilty or not, something bad went on inside that trailer that she honestly did not want nor deserve. She is definitely a victim, DOL.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    it would help if you read the story before making stupid comments.
    the accused are not white.
    He was being facetious, genuis.

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