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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

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    Absolutely incorrect. When arguing that a molester should be put to death, I am being completely logic and making an ethical argument, not an emotive one.
    Actually, it could be either depending on the content of the argument.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    It MUST be removed from law if by "law" you mean sentencing, and pretty much, it is.
    I mean from law.

    With people talking about cutting off people's dicks (what do you do about a woman child molester?) and killing people who touch kids, that's pure emotion speaking, rational thought has left the building. We don't mutilate people for crimes. If the rightwingnutjobs want that so much, then they would be VERY happy in Iran. While people have every right to get emotional over such a thing, that emotion has no place in the courtroom. The law is about punishment for a crime. That punishment does not go up or down with whether people are emotional about it or not. Since emotion can't affect prison sentencing, people have invented a new method of punishing people like that, the sex offender registry. Since there hasn't been a single study that concluded the registry has protected anybody from anything but have been numerous studies citing its extreme cost, lack of accuracy, broad reach, harming the children of sex offenders whos friends ridicule and tease them because their loved one was discovered on the registry, etc etc as inhibiting its original intent to the point where it's almost useless, it can be said that doing away with the registry or keeping it out of the public's eyes can and should be considered. However, people will be punished with retroactive increases in length of registration without due process, which of course is illegal and unconstitutional and is being found so in cases across the country.
    Leave partisanship out of it. It's about being outraged that such a thing happened to a little girl, could happen to a little girl. People here making excuses for the rapists is antagonizing this outrage.

    Most people don't give a rats ass about someone growing pot and smoking it themselves, yet get caught doing that, and you go away for a very long time. There is almost neutral emotion to that crime, yet the sentence is off the charts. I know child molesters who did 3 months in jail and 5 years probation, and child porn downloaders who, for a first offense, did 10 YEARS in a federal prison with lifetime probation. There is something wrong with that picture. While I don't like to quantify "badness" of crimes, at some point, a rational person would say that someone who actually touched a child should do far longer than someone who did nothing but click a computer mouse. At least that's how I feel about it. And I don't mean production or distribution, I mean simple possession.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

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    Actually, it could be either depending on the content of the argument.
    absolutely agreed, just in my case it is the former instead of the latter...
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    absolutely agreed, just in my case it is the former instead of the latter...
    What would be your content/logic based argument for child molesters being put to death?
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Oh, good grief, you don't even want them to have to register?
    I think at the very least keeping it out of public availability is a good thing. How can one expect these people to become functioning citizens if they must automatically makes themselves pariahs wherever they go? What I think is people who consider keeping it out of the public eye a seriously bad thing really just want to be able to harass these people and drive them out of the area or at least lock them out of the community.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    I think at the very least keeping it out of public availability is a good thing. How can one expect these people to become functioning citizens if they must automatically makes themselves pariahs wherever they go? What I think is people who consider keeping it out of the public eye a seriously bad thing really just want to be able to harass these people and drive them out of the area or at least lock them out of the community.
    Well said, DOL.

    People don't realize the original sex offender registry was a police-only list of the most heinous, abhorrent and violent sexual predators out there. Now, dozens of crimes will get you put on the list. What I must ask X factor, is what good is it doing to register these people? Show me proof, links to reputable websites, that show studies done that say it actually protects anyone? Where is your outcry for violent offenses such as assault? Where are "registries" for these people? Why, after someone has done their time and is a free man/woman, must they be publicly humiliated wherever they go and with whatever they do? Why do you have such hate for people of society who made a mistake, and worse yet, might be innocent?

    I've read articles that estimate that 1-2% of people in prison today are, in fact, innocent. Let's do a little math..... 2 million people times 1% = 20,000 people. 40,000 if you go with the higher estimate. Let's split the difference and say that 30,000 people are doing time in prison for crimes they did not commit. YOU, the almighty right wing nut job tax payer, is PAYING FOR THIS. You should be outraged. But no, fox news tells you to hate sex offenders and Monica Crowley says they did it even without a trial, so there you go.

    You need to stop telling liberals to ignore what media matters tell them when right wing kooks like yourself suck down the Fox news coolaid like it's beer from a keg.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    I think at the very least keeping it out of public availability is a good thing. How can one expect these people to become functioning citizens if they must automatically makes themselves pariahs wherever they go? What I think is people who consider keeping it out of the public eye a seriously bad thing really just want to be able to harass these people and drive them out of the area or at least lock them out of the community.
    Have you looked up the sex offender registry for your area? I have. Nobody is being harassed or chased out. Do you even know what prompted public notification? Maybe you've heard of Megan's law?

    Megan's Law was inspired by the case of seven-year-old Megan Kanka, a New Jersey girl who was raped and killed by a known child molester who moved across the street from the family. The Kanka family fought to have local communities warned about sex offenders in the area. The New Jersey legislature passed Megan's Law in 1994.
    http://crime.about.com/od/sex/a/megans_law.htm

    Now don't you think that family would have taken steps that would have kept that little girl safe, if they had known that a predator had moved in next door?

    And, so help me Demon, knowing how you argue, if you suggest that little girl led the killer on or something else like that..
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

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    Have you looked up the sex offender registry for your area? I have. Nobody is being harassed or chased out. Do you even know what prompted public notification? Maybe you've heard of Megan's law?



    Megan's Law - History of Megan's Law

    Now don't you think that family would have taken steps that would have kept that little girl safe, if they had known that a predator had moved in next door?

    And, so help me Demon, knowing how you argue, if you suggest that little girl led the killer on or something else like that..
    How do you know none of them are being harassed? Have you bothered to contact them? Talk to them. I promise you, they are being harassed.

    http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2002/06/53075

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...fender30m.html

    http://freestudents.blogspot.com/200...offending.html

    That last article talks about sex offenders moving out and not notifying authorities and thus people who move in behind them are being harassed because the information on the internet isn't even accurate or up to date. Why? Well, if you were just trying to get on with your life and something you did 20 years ago was STILL getting you harassed, wouldn't you just slide under the radar too? I know I would. Nobody has a right to harass anyone else for any reason, period. Since the registry has been found to be where these people are getting the addresses and names of offenders to go harass them, obviously the public is unable to handle these lists and so they shouldn't have access to them. You can go to the courthouse and see if your neighbor has a background. But to publicly humiliate these people is flat out wrong.

    How about the case where a vigilante burned down the house of a sex offender in an attempt to try to kill him? The sex offender and his son were able to escape the blaze. But his wife wasn't. She died at the hospital. Where is your outrage for that?

    http://www.pocketfives.com/f13/2-men...e-fire-198937/

    Or this case, where the WRONG house was burned down? These things don't make the news because nobody has sympathy for sex offenders, so who cares if their belongings are torched?

    http://www.switched.com/2008/02/05/v...ouse-and-miss/

    Like I said before, the public is not capable of handling such a sensitive list of individuals with maturity.

    Hindsight is always 20-20. So one girl gets harmed by a sex offender so you punish ALL sex offenders across the country for the behavior of one? So lets see, 674,999 didn't hurt Megan, but 1 did, so lets punish 674,999? Hmmm, ok, I guess in a right wing nut jobs little world, that actually makes sense.

    X factor, have you ever heard of the Adam Walsh Act? Can you go into detail about what it did, how it is being found unconstitutional, and what IT was based on? I'm curious to know if you know any facts about it.

    What about Jessica's law? Know any details about that one? Know all the stuff her dad and brother did, and avoided the very same registry that they wanted everyone else to be on?

    I'm now on a crusade to educate. So much misinformation out there. People have no idea what is going on.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

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    Have you looked up the sex offender registry for your area? I have. Nobody is being harassed or chased out. Do you even know what prompted public notification? Maybe you've heard of Megan's law?

    Megan's Law - History of Megan's Law

    Now don't you think that family would have taken steps that would have kept that little girl safe, if they had known that a predator had moved in next door?

    And, so help me Demon, knowing how you argue, if you suggest that little girl led the killer on or something else like that..
    Sex offenders are harassed all the time. There was a story in the news a while ago about a 'sex offender' (a man who had had sex with his 17 year old girl friend when he was 18) who was harassed by many members of his community because they did not know the nature of his actions.

    I think some reforms need to be made to the registry, particularly for cases like this.

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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    X factor, have you ever heard of the Adam Walsh Act? Can you go into detail about what it did, how it is being found unconstitutional, and what IT was based on? I'm curious to know if you know any facts about it.

    What about Jessica's law? Know any details about that one? Know all the stuff her dad and brother did, and avoided the very same registry that they wanted everyone else to be on?

    I'm now on a crusade to educate. So much misinformation out there. People have no idea what is going on.
    Whoa, I brought up Megan's Law first, so let's talk about that first. If you had kids, wouldn't you want to know that a sexual predator moved in across the street? Yes or no? Never mind. I know where your sympathies lie.

    Hindsight is always 20-20. So one girl gets harmed by a sex offender so you punish ALL sex offenders across the country for the behavior of one? So lets see, 674,999 didn't hurt Megan, but 1 did, so lets punish 674,999? Hmmm, ok, I guess in a right wing nut jobs little world, that actually makes sense.
    You're cold, man. So what if it's just one little girl, so long as your precious sex offenders don't get their feelers hurt, huh? And I'm the nut job for not wanting to see this happen again? You're a ****in' joke. If disagreeing with a fool makes me a nut job than so be it.
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