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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

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    He has no point. His point has been proven wrong with links. All he's doing is taking pointless shots at me. So I reply back. If he can't take it, don't dish it out. He says I support the ****, I prove him wrong, and so he insults me. And it's ME that is contributing to the problem? LOLOL I think you need to stop only quoting me and quote what I am replying to, otherwise you're just as biased as he is.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadius View Post
    I believe my words were, "It seems insignificant when compared to other crimes."
    Yes, that was the nature of your sophistry designed to trivialize.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    He's already blind. He's ignored multiple posts where I said I was clearly against what happened and didn't support it. I'm not going to just let someone attack and lie about me, I will defend myself. If you want the fight to stop, tell him to stop throwing punches.
    Heck, by some of your earlier arguments, you're just getting what you've asked for. Isn't it about time for you to start reporting my posts?
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Post #207 in this thread he certainly did, Hatuey.

    Speaking of not cool........
    I read the post and that's not what he said. He said it was insignificant when compared to other attrocities humanity has carried out. Which is true.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Unbelievable....

    I am lost for words about how unbelievably ignorant and wrong this post is.
    You religious fundies are just trying to impose your personal morals on others again.

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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    They are subhuman, they are savages, and should be treated as such. your posturing about being an unemotional human, is a front, or you are a sociopath. Fact is we are human, and unless one is quite ****ed up, they have emotions attached to things. You claim no emotion, but I don't think you've ever been challenged enough to truly know. I think you would lose this facade of no-emotion if someone raped someone close to you....
    They are neither of those things. They were raised in this society, and they are just as human you or I. Stop trying to distance yourself from reality. I have plenty of emotion, I think I've expressed that. I just value logic more than them, and I have a rather abnormal way of thinking. People really like twisting what I say. I would react exactly the same, the only difference would be it would be right in front of me. I would give my condolences and support, it's not like I have some sort of magical brainwashing technique. What more could I do? That wouldn't make me change my views. You seem to be insinuating that I think rape doesn't matter, and I don't feel for those involved. I simply think about things on a larger scale, and crimes that effect a larger population of people take prevalence in my mind. This doesn't mean that I'm trivializing them, but I am simply acknowledging their smaller impact. I believe I stated multiple times that I honestly have sympathies with this girl.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadius View Post
    Perhaps I am. Don't think I haven't considered it. But, I still think your failing to see my perspective correctly. I don't think humans should be void of emotion. I'm saying that sometimes someone needs to separate themselves from their emotion and look at things purely with logic. Perhaps I've come to rely on it too much and have become somewhat separate from my humanity. Humans have the ability to ignore empathy and take the most logical course of action. My logical course of action is that I can't get so worked up every time I hear about such an abundant crime. And if I focus on smaller crimes that only effect one small group of people, I become distant from greater societal injustices. I honestly have sympathy for this girl, and I hope she can grow up to have some semblance of a normal life.

    But the thing is, she still has that that life. She's still going to get the psychological help she needs, she most likely has the support of her family, and being an American she still has the ability to overcome this and still live her life to the fullest. I can be disgusted all I want, but the fact is it's already happened, and there's nothing I can do for her. There's no point in getting so emotional about it. We do in fact have the ability to help these people and give them the stability and safety that we enjoy. But instead of trying to do this we're too busy killing brown people and arguing about gay marriage.

    I'm pretty sure I have some sort of Messiah complex, (although I'd say it's not the exact same thing) that's become much more plausible with age, but is still there. And I've spent a lot of time thinking about how to systematically create a better society. I'd have to say I'm nowhere close to coming up with an effective solution, without gaining a ridiculous amount of support. I have in fact realized, that no matter how much they bother me I can't focus on small crimes that only effect a few individuals. I've also realized that one has to prioritize, make sacrifices, and discern things with logic.

    I don't think without emotion. When faced with a dilemma I just always turn to logic over emotion. I have a way of thinking of everything on a global scale, which makes me appear very distant from individuals. But don't think I don't care.
    Please show me the part where I belittle rape. And where I say I have no emotion. I'm only comparing it to other crimes, and measuring the degree of it's detrimental effect, and the scope of it's detrimental effect. I'm sorry for applying analytical thought to such a sketchy subject.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadius View Post
    They are neither of those things. They were raised in this society, and they are just as human you or I. Stop trying to distance yourself from reality. I have plenty of emotion, I think I've expressed that. I just value logic more than them, and I have a rather abnormal way of thinking. People really like twisting what I say. I would react exactly the same, the only difference would be it would be right in front of me. I would give my condolences and support, it's not like I have some sort of magical brainwashing technique. What more could I do? That wouldn't make me change my views. You seem to be insinuating that I think rape doesn't matter, and I don't feel for those involved. I simply think about things on a larger scale, and crimes that effect a larger population of people take prevalence in my mind. This doesn't mean that I'm trivializing them, but I am simply acknowledging their smaller impact. I believe I stated multiple times that I honestly have sympathies with this girl.

    So your a big picture kind of guy....... Like I said, posturing.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

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    They are neither of those things. They were raised in this society, and they are just as human you or I.
    We all understand they are "human", That is not the issue. But do those who committed these crimes share common moral values, do they represent the society and culture we want to be, what we expect from ourselves and others? Where do we derive out morals, what constitutes decency, honesty, human values? How will the law respond? These are the questions we are asking ourselves, not whether or not Adolf Hitler or a Tsunami was worse in comparison.

    This is a tragedy that strikes at the heart of every family, something we should all be able to understand and empathize with. So to claim that we need some kind of perspective misses the point entirely. It is not 'logical' to say there are worse happenings in the world, we all know that and can recognize that. It takes no real skill or insight to say that millions killed is on a different scale than the life of one little girl. It is just rather silly and pointless to even mention it, and it suggests no intellectual superiority in doing so.

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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

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    We all understand they are "human", That is not the issue. But do those who committed these crimes share common moral values, do they represent the society and culture we want to be, what we expect from ourselves and others? Where do we derive out morals, what constitutes decency, honesty, human values? How will the law respond? These are the questions we are asking ourselves, not whether or not Adolf Hitler or a Tsunami was worse in comparison.

    This is a tragedy that strikes at the heart of every family, something we should all be able to understand and empathize with. So to claim that we need some kind of perspective misses the point entirely. It is not 'logical' to say there are worse happenings in the world, we all know that and can recognize that. It takes no real skill or insight to say that millions killed is on a different scale than the life of one little girl. It is just rather silly and pointless to even mention it, and it suggests no intellectual superiority in doing so.


    Of course that's obvious! I can't maintain my civility anymore. I guarantee you that in a month this crime will fade from memory of all those who weren't directly effected by it. This little girl will grow up and everyone will forget she ever existed. But larger problems in society that we can change are still there, and being completely ignored while we are getting all worked up about another f*cking story. People pay attention to these small crimes when f*cking genocide is going on. And worse yet, they don't care that no one's doing anything about. They're to worried about what happened to little Sally to pay attention to a whole world that's f*cked up to the tenth power. You can't change what happened to Sally, but you can change the world. Am I the only one that sees this?



    This discussion is officially detrimental to my sanity. I'm definitely going to avoid topics like this in the future.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

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    Of course that's obvious! I can't maintain my civility anymore. I guarantee you that in a month this crime will fade from memory of all those who weren't directly effected by it.
    Yes, that's usually the case.

    This little girl will grow up and everyone will forget she ever existed.
    Quite right.
    But larger problems in society that we can change are still there, and being completely ignored while we are getting all worked up about another f*cking story.
    Then let's look at those larger problems.

    People pay attention to these small crimes when f*cking genocide is going on.
    OK Which genocide are you referring to and what do you suggest we do about it?

    And worse yet, they don't care that no one's doing anything about.
    Why not mention the genocide you have in mind, start a thread on the topic, and then see of anyone cares?

    They're to worried about what happened to little Sally to pay attention to a whole world that's f*cked up to the tenth power. You can't change what happened to Sally, but you can change the world. Am I the only one that sees this?
    OK, Let's change the world. Where do you propose we start?

    How about making the world safer for children?

    This discussion is officially detrimental to my sanity. I'm definitely going to avoid topics like this in the future.
    You'd know best about that.

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