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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    oh no......criminals should have some sort of punishment. and i doubt i would be sent to prison....what jury would do that?
    Perhaps punishment as a way to deter those who would commit the crime. But it's a very primitive thought process to just call for someone to be thrown in the fire because they committed a certain act. Because you just killed someone. Murder is illegal. You can't just go kill someone because you're pretty sure they committed a crime. The judicial system is far from perfect, it's better than just going around killing people.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadius View Post
    But you shouldn't be removing them to punish them. You should be removing them to prevent more harm. And then you would be arrested and get sent to prison, and your daughter wouldn't have her mother when she needs her most.
    I don't know if it's the word 'punishment' that you take issue with. But criminals do need consequences. I don't believe in a justice system built on revenge or on putting people in time outs, but I do believe in one that 1) Like you said, removes them to prevent harm. 2) Gives them consequences that make them not want to do the crime again (which I guess really is punishing). 3) Rehabilitates them in the sense that they are taught how to not enter into the same situations/mindsets that contributed to their actions and gives them the tools necessary to contribute to society.

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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadius View Post
    Perhaps punishment as a way to deter those who would commit the crime. But it's a very primitive thought process to just call for someone to be thrown in the fire because they committed a certain act. Because you just killed someone. Murder is illegal. You can't just go kill someone because you're pretty sure they committed a crime. The judicial system is far from perfect, it's better than just going around killing people.
    i would never kill someone unless i knew for certain they committed an awful crime against my children. in fact, i doubt i could retaliate UNLESS the crime was against my children. in this case, seems a video is making the rounds.

    now, justice is not really a primitive thought process. it's a necessary tool for society to punish those who commit crimes. otherwise, anarchy.

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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I don't know if it's the word 'punishment' that you take issue with. But criminals do need consequences. I don't believe in a justice system built on revenge or on putting people in time outs, but I do believe in one that 1) Like you said, removes them to prevent harm. 2) Gives them consequences that make them not want to do the crime again (which I guess really is punishing). 3) Rehabilitates them in the sense that they are taught how to not enter into the same situations/mindsets that contributed to their actions and gives them the tools necessary to contribute to society.
    Our justice system isn't very good at the third. I also think some criminals can't be rehabilitated. But, I agree with all of them. I also think there should be more research into understanding what causes people to commit certain crimes, so we can stop them before they happen.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i would never kill someone unless i knew for certain they committed an awful crime against my children. in fact, i doubt i could retaliate UNLESS the crime was against my children. in this case, seems a video is making the rounds.

    now, justice is not really a primitive thought process. it's a necessary tool for society to punish those who commit crimes. otherwise, anarchy.
    Even then it's still vigilantism, and murder. I think we should only punish to the degree necessary to deter crime. I think justice is a very subjective concept. We just need to keep order and maintain the safety of the populace.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i would never kill someone unless i knew for certain they committed an awful crime against my children. in fact, i doubt i could retaliate UNLESS the crime was against my children. in this case, seems a video is making the rounds.

    now, justice is not really a primitive thought process. it's a necessary tool for society to punish those who commit crimes. otherwise, anarchy.
    And I would support the death penalty for you, lib. You kill someone in cold blood and DNA can prove it, absolutely, I would be happy to put the needle in your arm. You are no more "worthy" of living than anyone else who commits murder, sorry to tell you. Where DNA can prove guilt, I am supportive of the DP, all other cases, I am not. What jury would convict you? One that followed the laws of the land, that's what.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    And I would support the death penalty for you, lib. You kill someone in cold blood and DNA can prove it, absolutely, I would be happy to put the needle in your arm. You are no more "worthy" of living than anyone else who commits murder, sorry to tell you. Where DNA can prove guilt, I am supportive of the DP, all other cases, I am not. What jury would convict you? One that followed the laws of the land, that's what.
    if that's what a jury decides, so be it. i would still, more than likely, go after someone who did something like that to my child.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    And I would support the death penalty for you, lib. You kill someone in cold blood and DNA can prove it, absolutely, I would be happy to put the needle in your arm. You are no more "worthy" of living than anyone else who commits murder, sorry to tell you. Where DNA can prove guilt, I am supportive of the DP, all other cases, I am not. What jury would convict you? One that followed the laws of the land, that's what.
    That's a little extreme. I can see her need for revenge on her daughter's behalf. But to keep order she would still have to be tried as any other murderer. I don't support the death penalty in any way. I don't think we have the right to say what life has value and what life does not.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadius View Post
    That's a little extreme. I can see her need for revenge on her daughter's behalf. But to keep order she would still have to be tried as any other murderer. I don't support the death penalty in any way. I don't think we have the right to say what life has value and what life does not.
    i fully admit i would probably commit a crime, punishment or not.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadius View Post
    No this is pretty common human behavior. In fact it seems pretty insignificant when you look at some of our other gems.



    Really? Common? Really?


    please prove this.
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