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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Most of you know that I have two daughters... changes one's perspective a bit.
    I know you did, and I know it does. I also have two...and two boys. -5 inbound and hopping for another boy. (Well, praying)
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    This has nothing to do with anything. I know plenty of kids in our extended family and I STILL don't want an innocent man killed. Sorry.
    It has an aweful lot more to do with it than you realize. There is an incredible difference in knowing kids in your extended family and having kids of your own.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It has an aweful lot more to do with it than you realize. There is an incredible difference in knowing kids in your extended family and having kids of your own.
    I don't have children, but I know several people with children including my own parents who have said in similar arguments that they would use not violence against someone who hurt their children even though they would want to. They just don't view violence or revenge as a healthy means of relieving anger.

    We get that you love your children and would be filled with so much rage that you COULD kill someone; that sentiment isn't difficult to understand, not even for someone without children. But someone's decision to act on that emotion or to kill or otherwise harm another person does not depend on whether or not they have children, it depends on the morality, ethics and general worldview they hold regardless of their emotions.

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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    James D. Evans III, an attorney who represents three of the defendants, insists: "This is not a case of a child who was enslaved or taken advantage of."


    How proud James D. Evans II and Jim Jr. must be of James III.

    A CHILD can not consent to sex. She was RAPED.

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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I don't have children, but I know several people with children including my own parents who have said in similar arguments that they would use not violence against someone who hurt their children even though they would want to. They just don't view violence or revenge as a healthy means of relieving anger.
    It's easy for them to say that and never be tested on it.

    We get that you love your children and would be filled with so much rage that you COULD kill someone; that sentiment isn't difficult to understand, not even for someone without children. But someone's decision to act on that emotion or to kill or otherwise harm another person does not depend on whether or not they have children, it depends on the morality, ethics and general worldview they hold regardless of their emotions.
    I oppose the death penalty, at my own hands or at the hands of others. I've not said I would seek such revenge, but know well enough as a parent not to rule it out or question the motives of others that would.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It's easy for them to say that and never be tested on it.



    I oppose the death penalty, at my own hands or at the hands of others. I've not said I would seek such revenge, but know well enough as a parent not to rule it out or question the motives of others that would.
    You have an answer for everything.

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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    You have an answer for everything.
    Well, I wouldn't say everything.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    A CHILD can not consent to sex.
    The law does not dictate reality.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    This crime is too horrific, too vicious for me to wrap my mind around. But it gets worse. The entire family is getting death threats. The town is actually divided about whose fault this was, the males or the little girl... or the girl's parents! All of the family's kids have had to leave town and relocate, and some of the lawyers for the boys are saying things like, "This is not a case of a child who was enslaved or taken advantage of." WTF??? 18 men and boys (or more, some say based on dozens of videos taken during the attacks it could be as many as 28 men) GANG-RAPED an 11-yr. old., but didn't enslave or take advantage of her? And half the effing town agrees?

    What the hell kind of people live in Cleveland, Texas??
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    Cleveland, Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As of the census[2] of 2000, there were 7,605 people, 2,645 households, and 1,758 families residing in the city. The population density was 1,580.5 people per square mile (610.5/km˛). There were 2,976 housing units at an average density of 618.5/sq mi (238.9/km˛). The racial makeup of the city was 58.65% White, 27.13% African American, 0.33% Native American, 0.59% Asian, 11.58% from other races, and 1.72% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 20.51% of the population.

    There were 2,645 households out of which 34.0% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 42.4% were married couples living together, 19.0% had a female householder with no husband present, and 33.5% were non-families. 29.2% of all households were made up of individuals and 13.9% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.63 and the average family size was 3.27.

    In the city, the population was spread out with 27.4% under the age of 18, 10.7% from 18 to 24, 29.6% from 25 to 44, 18.3% from 45 to 64, and 14.0% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 33 years. For every 100 females there were 101.0 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 101.7 males.

    The median income for a household in the city was $24,164, and the median income for a family was $28,527. Males had a median income of $28,385 versus $17,889 for females. The per capita income for the city was $13,562. About 19.3% of families and 22.4% of the population were below the poverty line, including 31.8% of those under age 18 and 16.1% of those age 65 or over.
    Sounds like a third world country.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    The law does not dictate reality.
    I'm sorry, are you saying a child can validly consent to sex?
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