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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    "Types" like you have a number and an orange jumpsuit. Well call them "lifers".

    Committing one violent crime in the name of another is putting yourself at their level. I would look at you both and say "what idiots."
    I would laugh in your face for such a stupid assertion.

    I am sure that was some sort of stupid analogy as well. Really nailed me as a person with it too... ****twat.

    I would further say to you that killing a murderer or rapist is not putting yourself at their level, it is elevating yourself above it and displaying that our society values human life above all of factors, and that by the killer killing, they have forfeited their right to life and that the consequence is taking their life. By doing this, we are showing that we respect and value human life above everything, since it is by exacting the highest consequence, the taking of the murderers life that we are showing that we place human life at the highest value. I wouldn't expect a moron to understand, so I don't hold much hope for you.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    I don't know if its just the way I'm wired, but forced sex doesn't turn me on at all. Rape, by itself, disgusts me in every way. I can't imagine doing that to someone. I can't imagine physically harming someone unless my life, or anothers life, was in direct and absolute danger. I felt bad as a teen pulling around a little friend of mine who was several years younger than me with my bike with him on a little scooter. I took a hard turn, inertia took him around the outside of the turn and he couldn't hold on and he crashed bad. He was all scraped up after sliding across the concrete. I felt horrible for months after that. Finally his mom had to tell me to my face "Look, accidents happen. You didn't mean any harm, you were just playing, I'm not mad at all at you, ok?"
    Those that argue the most vehemently against an action such as rape are generally those most inclined to commit said offense... you seem to be arguing pretty vehemently.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Those that argue the most vehemently against an action such as rape are generally those most inclined to commit said offense... you seem to be arguing pretty vehemently.
    Huh? This isn't directed at me and even I'm confused about it...

    Also that saying is obviously false as I am probably the biggest opponent to rape as I think it worse than any other criminal offense that can happen. Yet I certainly am not inclined to commit rape in the slightest. Part of my vehemence comes from the fact that my nieces were molested. The guy that did it is lucky that I never was able to see him face to face.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    I was actually engaged in a Facebook debate on this story.

    Someone on FB posted a link to this story and then added this commentary

    HIM: "Thanks to our Texas Republican State Legislators this poor girl's nightmare is not over. If she would end up pregnant and make a personal decision to terminate her pregnancy. Texas new Law would mandate she have a sonogram 24 hours before the procedure and be forced to look at her fetus and listen to it before terminating her pregnancy." (They are referencing a pending law in Texas that will make woman get a sonogram before an abortion)

    ME: Sad that this tragedy is being tied to politics

    HIM: Sad that politics has to effect innocent third parties.

    Me: I guess I never thought you belonged to the Westboro Baptist Church school of political protest - you know the one that says anything goes no matter how despicable the exploitation.

    This 11 year old girl's horrific experience should not be used for political points.

    I'm surprised you don't see that.

    Female Poster: I dont really see how he is trying to gain any points. Hes making a point that in such a horrific situation she will HAVE to endure more suffering should she decide to terminate. This Bill itself is despicable and makes no exception for cases such as this. That is POINT he is making. Im not sure what points he could be getting other than pointing out the facts and flaws of this law and what victims of this type of abuse still have to endure after what they have already had to endure.

    Him: (Snill) you don't get it, this is no longer about politics it's the reality. You will never get it, along with the Republicans who voted for this misogynistic bill. None of you will ever have to experience being spread eagle on stirrups, making one of the most difficult decisions of your life. I empathize as a gay man, with women across the state who are being degraded and subjected to fundamentalist trying to dictate their lives.

    ME:
    a) I think the sonogram bill is ridiculous. I would never support the state mandating a medical procedure.

    b) You will never have the experience of being an 11 year old girl raped by a large group of older men and then have your pa...inful story used by others to promote a cause - even if it is a good cause.See More


    Anyone care to tell me who is nuts here? Him and the female poster or me?
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Huh? This isn't directed at me and even I'm confused about it...

    Also that saying is obviously false as I am probably the biggest opponent to rape as I think it worse than any other criminal offense that can happen. Yet I certainly am not inclined to commit rape in the slightest. Part of my vehemence comes from the fact that my nieces were molested. The guy that did it is lucky that I never was able to see him face to face.
    The saying is not universal and correct, it was not directed at you. Using LPA, it becomes more evident that who it was directed at is the one that the saying holds true for.
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by snilloctjc View Post
    I was actually engaged in a Facebook debate on this story.

    Someone on FB posted a link to this story and then added this commentary

    HIM: "Thanks to our Texas Republican State Legislators this poor girl's nightmare is not over. If she would end up pregnant and make a personal decision to terminate her pregnancy. Texas new Law would mandate she have a sonogram 24 hours before the procedure and be forced to look at her fetus and listen to it before terminating her pregnancy." (They are referencing a pending law in Texas that will make woman get a sonogram before an abortion)

    ME: Sad that this tragedy is being tied to politics

    HIM: Sad that politics has to effect innocent third parties.

    Me: I guess I never thought you belonged to the Westboro Baptist Church school of political protest - you know the one that says anything goes no matter how despicable the exploitation.

    This 11 year old girl's horrific experience should not be u...sed for political points.

    I'm surprised you don't see thatSee More

    Female Poster: I dont really see how he is trying to gain any points. Hes making a point that in such a horrific situation she will HAVE to endure more suffering should she decide to terminate. This Bill itself is despicable and makes no exception for cases such as this. That is POINT he is making. Im not sure what points he could be getting other than pointing out the facts and flaws of this law and what victims of this type of abuse still have to endure after what they have already had to endure.

    Him: (Snill) you don't get it, this is no longer about politics it's the reality. You will never get it, along with the Republicans who voted for this misogynistic bill. None of you will ever have to experience being spread eagle on stirrups, making one of the most difficult decisions of your life. I empathize as a gay man, with women across the state who are being degraded and subjected to fundamentalist trying to dictate their lives.

    ME:
    a) I think the sonogram bill is ridiculous. I would never support the state mandating a medical procedure.

    b) You will never have the experience of being an 11 year old girl raped by a large group of older men and then have your pa...inful story used by others to promote a cause - even if it is a good cause.See More


    Anyone care to tell me who is nuts here? Him and the female poster or me?
    You, for posting a facebook entry here...
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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You, for posting a facebook entry here...
    Ooops did I cross a forum etiquitte line due to my forum ignorance?

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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by snilloctjc View Post
    I was actually engaged in a Facebook debate on this story.

    Someone on FB posted a link to this story and then added this commentary

    HIM: "Thanks to our Texas Republican State Legislators this poor girl's nightmare is not over. If she would end up pregnant and make a personal decision to terminate her pregnancy. Texas new Law would mandate she have a sonogram 24 hours before the procedure and be forced to look at her fetus and listen to it before terminating her pregnancy." (They are referencing a pending law in Texas that will make woman get a sonogram before an abortion)

    ME: Sad that this tragedy is being tied to politics

    HIM: Sad that politics has to effect innocent third parties.

    Me: I guess I never thought you belonged to the Westboro Baptist Church school of political protest - you know the one that says anything goes no matter how despicable the exploitation.

    This 11 year old girl's horrific experience should not be u...sed for political points.

    I'm surprised you don't see thatSee More

    Female Poster: I dont really see how he is trying to gain any points. Hes making a point that in such a horrific situation she will HAVE to endure more suffering should she decide to terminate. This Bill itself is despicable and makes no exception for cases such as this. That is POINT he is making. Im not sure what points he could be getting other than pointing out the facts and flaws of this law and what victims of this type of abuse still have to endure after what they have already had to endure.

    Him: (Snill) you don't get it, this is no longer about politics it's the reality. You will never get it, along with the Republicans who voted for this misogynistic bill. None of you will ever have to experience being spread eagle on stirrups, making one of the most difficult decisions of your life. I empathize as a gay man, with women across the state who are being degraded and subjected to fundamentalist trying to dictate their lives.

    ME:
    a) I think the sonogram bill is ridiculous. I would never support the state mandating a medical procedure.

    b) You will never have the experience of being an 11 year old girl raped by a large group of older men and then have your pa...inful story used by others to promote a cause - even if it is a good cause.See More


    Anyone care to tell me who is nuts here? Him and the female poster or me?
    I don't think any of you are nuts.

    I will say though, maybe as a devil's advocate, that stories like this form the foundations of certain political points. So I would argue that while exploiting someone to make a political point is in poor taste (or even immoral depending on your definition of morality), using their story to illustrate the reasoning behind a political position is not.

    Every political idea is based on experience and knowledge of other peoples' stories and a story like this may show, to someone who might have originally supported the legislation you're talking about, why that bill may be a bad idea.

    That said, I understand your sentiment.

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    Re: Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by snilloctjc View Post
    Ooops did I cross a forum etiquitte line due to my forum ignorance?
    In most really good forums they don't allow the postings of other forums for two reasons. One, can run into copyright laws. Two, only way to verify is by going to that forum, as some forums require signing up in order to view the content this is not desireable.
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