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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you seriously should pay attention.
    And you libs should be a little more honest.


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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I like how you've chosen to ignore the fact that evaluating teachers on merit is ineffective in a country where students are being tested with tests created by illiterate people and being taught based on ineffective policies.

    It makes no sense to evaluate teachers based SOLELY on student performance when the education system doesn't have adequate means of teaching them how to perform.
    Please quote me where I stated "soley".... strawman not needed. You pointed out a test in chicago, and you apply it to the nation. I don't think that fits.

    Just like pro-life people should layout ways to deal with abandoned children, those who emphasize merit pay need to come up better ways to teach students and help them to perform well or in the end we'll have a country of stupid students and no teachers.

    One way we can do this, (your non-sequitor aside), would be to base teachers pay and jobs on thier performance, not how many years they put in.
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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

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    Please link to that then....If this is so, then I am sure it was in the context of getting the demo's back in state where they could be compelled to vote.


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    Earlier Friday, Marty Beil, head of the Wisconsin State Employees Union, said his members would agree to pay more of their pension contributions and health insurance benefits as Walker is demanding. But Beil said his union would never agree to give up decades-old bargaining rights.

    Beil's union is part of AFSCME, the largest state and local employee union in Wisconsin, which represents 68,000 workers for the state, Milwaukee, Milwaukee County and other municipalities. An AFSCME spokesman said Beil was speaking for all the group's union locals in the state.

    "We are prepared to implement the financial concessions proposed to help bring our state's budget into balance, but we will not be denied our God-given right to join a real union . . .  we will not - I repeat we will not - be denied our rights to collectively bargain," Beil said in a statement.

    Mary Bell, the president of the Wisconsin Education Association Council, the state's largest teachers union, said her group also would make the financial concessions to keep its bargaining rights.

    "This is not about money," Bell said in a phone conference. "We understand the need to sacrifice."

    No compromise seen

    Walker flatly rejected the offer. He said local governments and schools will need that flexibility with their employees to cope with cuts in their state aid that he wants to make to help balance the state budget.

    "It doesn't work," Walker said of the offer in an interview. "My goal all along has been to give all these folks - I asked for it in the past - the tools to control their own budgets . . .  I know as a (former) local official, collective bargaining time and time again was the thing that stood in the way of local governments and school districts being able to manage their budgets."
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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It's been reported many times that unions agreed to his conditions in exchange for keeping their bargaining rights. They wanted to 'sign an almighty declaration', but Walker rejected their offer because his aims are about more than money. You need to pay attention to the news.
    What news? The news that has sided with the unions at every turn? No bias there.
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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

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    $200K to get rid of bad teachers.....That is absolutely maddening. This is what I call inept.


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    If that is maddening, this ought to cause an aneurysm...New York Teachers Paid To Do Nothing: 700 Of Them

    Because their union contract makes it extremely difficult to fire them, the teachers have been banished by the school system to its "rubber rooms" _ off-campus office space where they wait months, even years, for their disciplinary hearings.

    The 700 or so teachers can practice yoga, work on their novels, paint portraits of their colleagues _ pretty much anything but school work. They have summer vacation just like their classroom colleagues and enjoy weekends and holidays through the school year.

    "You just basically sit there for eight hours," said Orlando Ramos, who spent seven months in a rubber room, officially known as a temporary reassignment center, in 2004-05. "I saw several near-fights. `This is my seat.' `I've been sitting here for six months.' That sort of thing."


    Teachers Not Teaching - L.A. Unified pays teachers not to teach - Los Angeles Times

    L.A. Unified pays teachers not to teach: FAILURE GETS A PASS
    About 160 instructors and others get salaries for doing nothing while their job fitness is reviewed. They collect roughly $10 million a year, even as layoffs are considered because of a budget gap. For seven years, the Los Angeles Unified School District has paid Matthew Kim a teaching salary of up to $68,000 per year, plus benefits.

    His job is to do nothing.

    Every school day, Kim's shift begins at 7:50 a.m., with 30 minutes for lunch, and ends when the bell at his old campus rings at 3:20 p.m. He is to take off all breaks, school vacations and holidays, per a district agreement with the teacher's union. At no time is he to be given any work by the district or show up at school.

    He has never missed a paycheck.

    In the jargon of the school district, Kim is being "housed" while his fitness to teach is under review. A special education teacher, he was removed from Grant High School in Van Nuys and assigned to a district office in 2002 after the school board voted to fire him for allegedly harassing teenage students and colleagues. In the meantime, the district has spent more than $2 million on him in salary and legal costs.

    Last week, Kim was ordered to continue this daily routine at home. District officials said the offices for "housed" employees were becoming too crowded. About 160 teachers and other staff sit idly in buildings scattered around the sprawling district, waiting for allegations of misconduct to be resolved.

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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    What news? The news that has sided with the unions at every turn? No bias there.
    hey.....here is scott walker in his own words....

    I had my whole cabinet over to the residence for dinner, talked about what we were gonna do, how we were gonna do it. It was kind of the last hurrah before we dropped the bomb and I stood up and I pulled out a picture of Ronald Reagan and I said “You know, this may seem a bit melodramatic but 30 years ago, Ronald Reagan… had one of the most defining moments of his political career, not just his Presidency, when he fired the Air Traffic Controllers.” And I said “To me, that moment was more important, not just for labor relations or the federal budget, that was the first crack in the Berlin Wall and the fall of Communism because from that point forward the Soviets and the Communists knew that Ronald Reagan wasn’t a pushover.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post

    Ah, I see...Nothing new....except exposing yet another dishonest player in this debate. Look, your article talks about how a couple of unions offered Walker concessions on in return for leaving CB out of it. Walker rejected that as he should....I knew you weren't being honest when you said Walker talked about it.....lol....Try again.

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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    hey.....here is scott walker in his own words....

    I had my whole cabinet over to the residence for dinner, talked about what we were gonna do, how we were gonna do it. It was kind of the last hurrah before we dropped the bomb and I stood up and I pulled out a picture of Ronald Reagan and I said “You know, this may seem a bit melodramatic but 30 years ago, Ronald Reagan… had one of the most defining moments of his political career, not just his Presidency, when he fired the Air Traffic Controllers.” And I said “To me, that moment was more important, not just for labor relations or the federal budget, that was the first crack in the Berlin Wall and the fall of Communism because from that point forward the Soviets and the Communists knew that Ronald Reagan wasn’t a pushover.

    Damned straight....Good for him...Principles matter, not lies and distortions coming out of liberals today.


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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Please quote me where I stated "soley".... strawman not needed. You pointed out a test in chicago, and you apply it to the nation. I don't think that fits.




    One way we can do this, (your non-sequitor aside), would be to base teachers pay and jobs on thier performance, not how many years they put in.
    I mentioned the Chicago test because it's something more obvious to me since I know someone who deals with it. But if have been paying attention to debates about education, you would know that their are problems across the country with how students are being taught and tested...which is why education is a hot topic.

    Therefore, if the policies of education aren't working in many schools, it doesn't make sense to base teacher's pay or job on the work of students who are taking ineffective tests and it doesn't make sense to evaluate them on how they implement ineffective policies that they are required to work under.

    For your further education, here's a bestselling book by Diane Ravitch, she was appointed to public office by George H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/bo...w/Wolfe-t.html

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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ah, I see...Nothing new....except exposing yet another dishonest player in this debate. Look, your article talks about how a couple of unions offered Walker concessions on in return for leaving CB out of it. Walker rejected that as he should....I knew you weren't being honest when you said Walker talked about it.....lol....Try again.

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    That's exactly what I said...This debate is beyond me at this point. I know not to debate with you in the future.

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