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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It's been reported many times that unions agreed to his conditions in exchange for keeping their bargaining rights. They wanted to 'sign an almighty declaration', but Walker rejected their offer because his aims are about more than money. You need to pay attention to the news.

    So what! It's been reported many times....Gafaw! Don't make me choke on my coffee. Reported by whom? Other liberals in the news? Obama press bots? Big deal!

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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It's been reported many times
    .....just because it was reported doesnt make it fact.

    that unions agreed to his conditions in exchange for keeping their bargaining rights. They wanted to 'sign an almighty declaration', but Walker rejected their offer because his aims are about more than money. You need to pay attention to the news.
    They dont need Walker to sign a declaration of intent.

    I think this boils down to the State run liberal media and a few Union slob bosses presumably speaking for every and any Public Sector Union in Wisconsin without any idea of whether they all have collectively agreed to the concessions or not.

    And knowing greedy Democrat union slobs........Im betting the ones that agree to the concessions are few and far between.....
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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    can you possibly prove that unions are inept, whatever that means?

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    Tenure vs. merit=Inept
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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    can you possibly prove that unions are inept, whatever that means?
    SPRINGFIELD -- Not only is it exceedingly rare to fire a tenured teacher in Illinois, but it also is extraordinarily expensive.
    In fact, Illinois school districts that have hired outside lawyers in these cases have spent an average of more than $219,000 in legal fees during the last five years.
    In a follow-up to its award-winning investigation of teacher tenure in Illinois, Small Newspaper Group took an in-depth look at costs associated with teacher dismissals.
    In the original series, which was published in December, the newspapers said school districts reasonably could expect to spend at least $100,000 to try to fire a tenured teacher.
    That figure, which was based on attorney estimates, was immediately called into question by one the state's two major teacher unions, the Illinois Federation of Teachers, which contends such cases usually cost school districts less than $50,000.
    To settle the question, Small Newspaper Group filed Freedom of Information Act requests for every attorney bill paid by a school district in a tenured teacher dismissal case during the last five years.
    Those bills indicate schools districts have spent an average of $219,504.21 in legal fees for dismissal cases and related litigation from the beginning of 2001 until the end of 2005.

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    $200K to get rid of bad teachers.....That is absolutely maddening. This is what I call inept.


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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So what! It's been reported many times....Gafaw! Don't make me choke on my coffee. Reported by whom? Other liberals in the news? Obama press bots? Big deal!

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    Actually, Governor Walker himself has talked about the offer numerous times...

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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It's been reported many times that unions agreed to his conditions in exchange for keeping their bargaining rights. They wanted to 'sign an almighty declaration', but Walker rejected their offer because his aims are about more than money. You need to pay attention to the news.
    You need to not quite believe everything you read and hear. Please supply a link to this offer of an "almighty declaration."

    His aim is definitely about more than money. It's about changing the legislation that allows teachers to bargain unrestricted for their salaries and giving the power back to the taxpayers of the state of Wisconsin.
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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

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    I like how you've chosen to ignore the fact that evaluating teachers on merit is ineffective in a country where students are being tested with tests created by illiterate people and being taught based on ineffective policies.

    It makes no sense to evaluate teachers based SOLELY on student performance when the education system doesn't have adequate means of teaching them how to perform.

    Just like pro-life people should layout ways to deal with abandoned children, those who emphasize merit pay need to come up better ways to teach students and help them to perform well or in the end we'll have a country of stupid students and no teachers.

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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So what! It's been reported many times....Gafaw! Don't make me choke on my coffee. Reported by whom? Other liberals in the news? Obama press bots? Big deal!

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    you seriously should pay attention.

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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Actually, Governor Walker himself has talked about the offer numerous times...

    Please link to that then....If this is so, then I am sure it was in the context of getting the demo's back in state where they could be compelled to vote.


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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    .....just because it was reported doesnt make it fact.



    They dont need Walker to sign a declaration of intent.

    I think this boils down to the State run liberal media and a few Union slob bosses presumably speaking for every and any Public Sector Union in Wisconsin without any idea of whether they all have collectively agreed to the concessions or not.

    And knowing greedy Democrat union slobs........Im betting the ones that agree to the concessions are few and far between.....
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    Walker himself has talked about.

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