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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Surely you can make your point without attempting to pick a fight with people, can't you?
    in fact, no, he can't. why else would his nic be a serial killer who died in a psychatric ward?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    in fact, no, he can't. why else would his nic be a serial killer who died in a psychatric ward?
    Better than the Boston Strangler nickname, you know. Hey...wait a second...didnt we have one of those too??? Whatever happened to Albert...

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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Better than the Boston Strangler nickname, you know. Hey...wait a second...didnt we have one of those too??? Whatever happened to Albert...
    he died in prison?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    hey.....here is scott walker in his own words....

    I had my whole cabinet over to the residence for dinner, talked about what we were gonna do, how we were gonna do it. It was kind of the last hurrah before we dropped the bomb and I stood up and I pulled out a picture of Ronald Reagan and I said “You know, this may seem a bit melodramatic but 30 years ago, Ronald Reagan… had one of the most defining moments of his political career, not just his Presidency, when he fired the Air Traffic Controllers.” And I said “To me, that moment was more important, not just for labor relations or the federal budget, that was the first crack in the Berlin Wall and the fall of Communism because from that point forward the Soviets and the Communists knew that Ronald Reagan wasn’t a pushover.
    I see nothing wrong with what he said. Is this supposed to be some big expose'? And, FGS!!!! Where's the link??

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    That's exactly what I said...This debate is beyond me at this point. I know not to debate with you in the future.
    Thanks for the posting the link. However, most people debating this topic have known right along that two of the unions gave lip servce to agreeing to the increased contributions. But sans a contract, that lip service means nothing.

    And, in fact, the mayor of Madison, WI rushed through a the contracts of twelve unions that did not include those contributions while the Democrats fled the state. He called an emergency city council meeting to get it done. Madison mayor defends move to sign union contracts - JSOnline
    The devil whispered in my ear, "You cannot withstand the storm." I whispered back, "I am ​the storm."

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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    "....going after..."

    The only ones who think the governor is "going after" anyone are those people who either belong to unions or are receiving public pensions...and that's all-told less than 12% of workers in the USA.

    As to your "....leave it at that....," I agree. So where are the Democrats? Oh, wait, they're busy in Grayslake, Illinois subverting democracy.
    You asked me before (yesterday, in fact) and I told you yes, I am a state employee, but I am not yet eligible for retire...not even close. So, all the concerns over retirement pensions don't affect me nearly as much as it does someone who is tenured and a year or two from retiring. I still have nearly 12 yrs left before retirement and atleast 2 yrs before I reach tenure status. But the landscape for public employee retirement plans were changing in my state a few years ago. As such, the only retirement plan I pay into is my 401(k) same as most other state employees who were hired about the same timeframe as myself (or private sector employee for that matter).

    I also informed you I don't belong to any union or state employee association of any kind (although I have been courted by my peers on numerous occasions). I've merely declined (mostly for economic reasons of my own), but I respect the right of those who are members to voice their concerns via unions/employee associations representation. My concern over the situation in Wis., OH, MI and IN is that these states seem to be hell bent on taking away the negotiating rights of state employees, thereby either limiting or effectively silencing their voice as a collective group at the state legislative level. In my view, that's the equivalent of usurping one's right to freedom of speech which is a right I'd think most Conservatives would viamently defend if they truly support the Constitutional rights of all citizens in this country.

    On the other hand, I'm also see that the window of communications between public employees and their state representatives isn't completely closed. One can still write, call, email or schedule a visit to contact their state representatives to have their grievences heard. Howoever, it would take a massive letter writing/email/robo-call campaign before such grievences are heard by public workers "collectively". It's still possible in those states where union representation has not been completely silenced, but for those who no longer have a voice where do they turn now to have their unified voices heard?

    As I've stated to Rev and others on the matter, I believe that GOP governors as using public worker's unions, salaries, health care benefits and pensions as easy targets to exploit when instead they should be looking at those real issues that got their fiscal houses in such disarray in the first place, i.e., pay raises for politicians where state employee raises and new hiring have been frozen (is it right for state legislators to vote themselves pay raises knowing full well their state budgets are running deficits?), improving their own benefit packages while cutting everyone elses, continuing to finance building projects using municiple bonds when you haven't paid off the previous bond loan, basing state budgets on future projections instead of 5-yr averages to include paying for those things that are mandated to fund by law? How can cuts in teacher salaries and benefits be justified when states have not addressed their real deficit problems? And what I've outlined are just the tip of the ice burg! We haven't even gotten to some of the waste that takes places or stupid decisions that are made that don't produce revenue, i.e., allowing a business to form in a state but NOT have to pay taxes for 10-15-20+ yrs? I understand the need to attrack business/jobs to a state, but good Lord!! Yet it happens all the time and yet the first people who are immediately affected by spending cuts and downsizing are public servants. It would seem WE pay the price for the mistakes of the legislature!
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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I'm talking about the unions, you are talking about the Good Reverend, Cleary, "I" am the problem here, who "adds nothing to the debate at hand".
    Wasn't talkin to ya actually Rev. I don't agree with almost anything you say, but at least respect the way you present your information. My complaint was with Ed, with whom I've noticed a habit of spewing partisan BS instead of anything that pertains to the conversation at hand.

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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    he died in prison?
    Actually I was thinking of OUR DP Albert. Wait...were you too???

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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Unions are fine, but teachers are employee's of the business of the gov't, Just like walmart can choose to not allow unions the gov't can do the same. If you don't like it work somewhere else or get another job. simple

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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulterkampf View Post
    Unions are fine, but teachers are employee's of the business of the gov't, Just like walmart can choose to not allow unions the gov't can do the same. If you don't like it work somewhere else or get another job. simple
    or you could do what Americans have always done...and fight for what you want...

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    Re: Wisconsin's Democrats to End Union Standoff

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    Wasn't talkin to ya actually Rev. I don't agree with almost anything you say, but at least respect the way you present your information. My complaint was with Ed, with whom I've noticed a habit of spewing partisan BS instead of anything that pertains to the conversation at hand.



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