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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So naturally if the American government funded a group of people of British Descent to perform a terrorist attack you'd support that retaliation for such should be aimed at the British and not American's because clearly the descent of the individuals is the primary thing to focus on.



    if you hate running into stereotypes avoid looking in the mirror.
    The Afghanistan government did not aid or fund the September 11 attacks, so your false analogy is pointless and irrelevant to the actual discussion at hand.

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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    The Afghanistan government did not aid or fund the September 11 attacks, so your false analogy is pointless and irrelevant to the actual discussion at hand.
    Just so I know what avenue you're going for here...

    Are you saying that the Taliban wasn't the government of Afghanistan or that they didn't have a hand in the 9/11 attacks?

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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Last I remembered they were Saudi. I hate stereotypes... why do I keep running into people that are stereotypes?
    Last I remembered, they worked for al Qaeda and Aghanistan's government, the Taliban, was allowing AQ sanctuary and giving them support.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Just so I know what avenue you're going for here...

    Are you saying that the Taliban wasn't the government of Afghanistan or that they didn't have a hand in the 9/11 attacks?
    I'm saying our government stated the suspects behind the 9/11 attacks was not the Taliban. All hijackers were at least part Arabic, with aboslutely no Afghani descent. The funding for the attacks did not come from anywhere within Afghanistan. The 9/11 Commission Report stated that their is no evidence that any foreign government or government official supplied any funding. Yet we invaded two sovereign nations in response to the attacks. It doesn't take a genius to realize how moronic that is.

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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Just so I know what avenue you're going for here...

    Are you saying that the Taliban wasn't the government of Afghanistan or that they didn't have a hand in the 9/11 attacks?
    Dang...these guys are going to piss off all those democrats who claim the 'real' war was with Afghanistan and not Iraq.

    So...apparently...the Taliban government of Afghanistan allowing Al Qaida to freely operate within its borders and plan terrorist attacks is okie dokie.

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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Dang...these guys are going to piss off all those democrats who claim the 'real' war was with Afghanistan and not Iraq.

    So...apparently...the Taliban government of Afghanistan allowing Al Qaida to freely operate within its borders and plan terrorist attacks is okie dokie.
    Then you admit it was al-quaeda and not the Taliban?

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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    It's already been established that U.S. forces can be sloppy, or at worst malicious:



    We know it's not true of everyone, but it happens. Karzai has every business, as the leader of Afghanistan, to denounce the killing of civilians. Why he is being resented for that is beyond me. NATO is there to stop insurgents and help with reconstruction. Mistakes are costly and sloppiness is unacceptable.

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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Dang...these guys are going to piss off all those democrats who claim the 'real' war was with Afghanistan and not Iraq.

    So...apparently...the Taliban government of Afghanistan allowing Al Qaida to freely operate within its borders and plan terrorist attacks is okie dokie.
    If we use that logic, we would've invaded Saudia Arabia and Iran. Probably Turkey too since they helped protect and hide Yasin al Qadi, one of al-Qaeda's and Osama bin Laden's chief financiers.

    CNN.com - World shock over U.S. attacks - September 11, 2001

    In Islamabad, Pakistan, Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan, said: "We want to tell the American children that Afghanistan feels your pain and we hope that the courts find justice."

    In Kabul, Afghanistan, Wakeel Ahmed Mutawakel, the foreign minister of Afghanistan's ruling Taliban government, told the Arab television network Al Jazeera, "We denounce this terrorist attack, whoever is behind it."

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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    I'm saying our government stated the suspects behind the 9/11 attacks was not the Taliban. All hijackers were at least part Arabic, with aboslutely no Afghani descent. The funding for the attacks did not come from anywhere within Afghanistan. The 9/11 Commission Report stated that their is no evidence that any foreign government or government official supplied any funding. Yet we invaded two sovereign nations in response to the attacks. It doesn't take a genius to realize how moronic that is.
    You are correct, my earlier statement was incorrect. That was my mistake. That said, change my analogy to haboring and protecting and it remains the same. Their country of origin is far, far less relevant on who to take action against than other factors. The leader of the group that perpetrated the attack and his main base of operations at that time was Afghanistan. The Afghanistan government refused to assist in extraditing him or allowing US action against him, instead harboring and protecting him and his network. Now, they're absolutely free to do that. They are a sovereign country. However, in doing so they become co-conspirators in his actions and are subject to similar consequences.

    Whether or not you agree with the Iraq War is off topic and irrelevant to the talk of Afghanistan specifically. They harbored and protected the leader and organization that perpetrated the attacks on not just our civilian population but on our military institution as well. Exactly what should we have done instead? When they said "no, we'll not turn him over" just kind of shrug and walk away?

    Its pretty easy to state you denounce something, actions speak FAR louder however.

    Seriously, if you have issues with invading of Afghanistan...that's fine. But to attempt to equate the fact some of the 9/11 hijackers were of Saudi descent and thus that reason alone makes SA a better target than Afghanistan as the original person implied is ridiculous. Some of them having been born in SA is not significantly more important at to where/how the U.S. should've reacted than the location of the leader/organization of the attacks and the country harboring said people.

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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Then you admit it was al-quaeda and not the Taliban?
    Admit? Sure...I 'admit' it. I expressed it. I have never claimed otherwise. Neither did Bush when he cited his reason for ousting the taliban as the Afgan government and for that matter, neither have all the liberals that have stated they supported the war against the Taliban led Afghanistan government. From day one it was stated that Al Qaida planned and was responsible for the event and the Afghanistan government ruled by the Taliban was aiding and abetting and therefore fresposnble. You act like 'admitting' that is some massive new revelation. Where the **** have you been? Hell...thats the reason so many democrats have claimed that Afghanistan was the 'real' enemy and thsat we shouldnt have taken our sights of Aghanistan and then focused on Iraq. SURELY you know that. If not...ask a few liberals that claim support for the war against Afghanistan.

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