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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Yes! Damn them for planting trees and those children for cutting firewood! How dare they!
    Do you know what actually happened? I don't know the exact details and I don't believe you do either.

    What I do know it that NATO and US forces do not deliberately attack innocent children. Islamic jihadis do.

    It was a tragic mistake. It's unfortunate.

    The allied nations unintentionally killed scores of French civilians with naval gunfire and bombs on D-Day.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Karzai did not come up with the rules of engagement. McChrystal and Petraeus did.



    No doubt. But when Karzai first came to power he was basically the most viable candidate and we stuck with him.



    How about you do your own damn research? Obama's mentioned the drug trade, but we have **** on our hands just dealing with our own drug problems much less Afghanistans. And drug money is hardly the only thing keeping the insurgency going.
    Brace yourself: The Taliban invited us in when they allowed Ben Laden to operate from there. Karzai wasn't in the Country at that time and couldn't be until our troops ran the Taliban out of power.

    Obama?s Rules of Engagement for our Troops is Crazy

    U.S. troops battle both Taliban and their own rules. The Times compiled an informal list of the new rules from interviews with U.S. forces. Among them:

    • No night or surprise searches.

    • Villagers have to be warned prior to searches.

    • ANA or ANP must accompany U.S. units on searches.

    • U.S. soldiers may not fire at the enemy unless the enemy is preparing to fire first.

    • U.S. forces cannot engage the enemy if civilians are present.

    • Only women can search women.

    • Troops can fire at an insurgent if they catch him placing an IED but not if insurgents are walking away from an area where explosives have been laid.

    Sara A. Carter

    KASHK-E-NOKHOWD, Afghanistan | Army Capt. Casey Thoreen wiped the last bit of sleep from his eyes before the sun rose over his isolated combat outpost.

    His soldiers did the same as they checked and double-checked their weapons and communications equipment.

    Ahead was a dangerous foot patrol into the heart of Taliban territory.

    “Has anyone seen the [Afghan National Army] guys?” asked Capt. Thoreen, 30, the commander of Blackwatch Company, 2nd Battalion, 1st Infantry Regiment with the 5th Stryker Brigade. “Are they not showing up?”

    A soldier, who looked ghostly in the reddish light of a headlamp, shook his head.

    “We can’t do anything if we don’t have the ANA or [the Afghan National Police],” said a frustrated Capt. Thoreen.

    “We have to follow the Karzai 12 rules. But the Taliban has no rules,” he said. “Our soldiers have to juggle all these rules and regulations and they do it without hesitation despite everything.

    It’s not easy for anyone out here.” via Washington Times – U.S. troops battle both Taliban and their own rules.

    Source: Stand Up America

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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I don't remember them asking to be invaded, so your righteous indignation over him not appreciating your sacrifice to impose your value system on them may go unappreciated. Just tellin ya. I guess they were really tall 12 year olds with AK-shaped wood they had gathered.
    I do. I remember the exact day they begged us to come kick their asses up between their ears. It was September 11th, 2001. I was in Cincinatti, Ohio, on my way to Dayton with a load of lumber.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I do. I remember the exact day they begged us to come kick their asses up between their ears. It was September 11th, 2001. I was in Cincinatti, Ohio, on my way to Dayton with a load of lumber.
    Last I remembered they were Saudi. I hate stereotypes... why do I keep running into people that are stereotypes?

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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    Karzai is using another tactic to turn his people against NATO troops so they won't be looking at his own corrupt regime as closely. Look, people, we seriously need to get out of Afghanistan. We cannot nation-build in a tribal society, and even if we could there isn't a single, solitary instance of successful nation-building that the USA can even point to. (No, don't you dare say Iraq.)

    This is not what our nation was built to do, invade other countries, put in puppet governments, then watch the internal carnage unfold. We need to GTFO now.

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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Karzai is using another tactic to turn his people against NATO troops so they won't be looking at his own corrupt regime as closely. Look, people, we seriously need to get out of Afghanistan. We cannot nation-build in a tribal society, and even if we could there isn't a single, solitary instance of successful nation-building that the USA can even point to. (No, don't you dare say Iraq.)

    This is not what our nation was built to do, invade other countries, put in puppet governments, then watch the internal carnage unfold. We need to GTFO now.
    I half believe this is a political stunt myself. IMO Karzai believes that NATO will pull out and leave his privates hanging in the breeze.

    We liberated Afghanistan. We did not install a puppet Government. We are not sitting by watching the internal carnage unfold.

    If we leave Afghanistan without first soundly defeating the Taliban and their jihadi pals it will be viewed as a retreat by the infidels. It will only encourage them as leaving Somalia encouraged them in the 90's.

    We are fighting a war that started against the US in 1979 IMO. Unfortunately, the US and other free nations started seriously fighting them only after 9/11.

    We are paying the price today for not recognizing and confronting the emergence of Islamic jihadis in the last century.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    At this time, there is no credible evidence that what happened wasn't a terrible accident. I do believe that in all such instances, a review should be undertaken to try to see if the risk of such incidents can be reduced and I have little doubt that NATO carries out such procedures. Such risks, of course, almost certainly cannot be eliminated. There will always be human error and mechanical error in warfare. Moreover, practices by the enemy can also amplify the risk of civilian casualties.

    As for Mr. Karzai, one should not be surprised by his recent outburst given his past history of previous outbursts on a range of issues. Unfortunately, that's one of the risks inherent in the current, and I believe deeply-flawed, Kabul-centric strategy that remains underway. IMO, given Afghanistan's structure, a decentralized strategy that focuses around the tribal leaders, leaving only limited/truly nationwide issues to Kabul, would have been better. Instead, reliance on a leader who is both erratic and quite unpopular in many parts of Afghanistan, creates problems that complicate the already difficult mission underway.

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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    Mistake was made...apology was issued. Cant do much if the other person doesnt accept your apology.

    Perhaps we should do the honorable thing in Mr Karzai's name and just completely pull out. Im SURE he will be very successful in his negotion of a positive relationship with the Taliban. And then they can go back to their very humane treatment of women, children, gays, etc.

    This isnt a political position RE Bush or Obama...me...I'm tired of them. Im tired of the Iraqi people and Afghani people. If you cant be bothered to stand up on your own two feet then you deserve the special hell you have lived all your lives. Whether or not you agree with the war...we shouldnt HAVE to be there today.

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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Last I remembered they were Saudi. I hate stereotypes... why do I keep running into people that are stereotypes?
    So naturally if the American government funded a group of people of British Descent to perform a terrorist attack you'd support that retaliation for such should be aimed at the British and not American's because clearly the descent of the individuals is the primary thing to focus on.



    if you hate running into stereotypes avoid looking in the mirror.

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    Re: Afghan President Rejects U.S. Apology Over Killings

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Do you know what actually happened? I don't know the exact details and I don't believe you do either.
    Yes, it's in several newspapers. They responded to mortar fire without making sure where exactly it was coming from and who they were targeting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    The allied nations unintentionally killed scores of French civilians with naval gunfire and bombs on D-Day.
    Great deflection. Fallacious reasoning does not bode well here.

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