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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    That's not true anymore. Businesses used to have to live by the profit motive only, but after too many scandals where company employees said "it is what made the shareholders the most money", that has now been changed. Businesses are supposed to be ethical entities like any person.
    What worthless gibberish is this? How is it unethical to lay people off to make a profit??

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    How do you feel about the New Deal?
    What does that matter? If I don't agree with someone 100% of the time it doesn't count? Hmm?

    You once again prove why, you just can't be taken seriously.
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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    What worthless gibberish is this? How is it unethical to lay people off to make a profit??
    You said that businesses and government exist for one sole purpose:

    To make profits.

    I said that you are incorrect. There was a time when that was true. There was a time when businesses could be sued because they acted in a manner that was a not to the benefit of the shareholder. This is not true anymore, as it is as much a job of a business to act ethically as it is to maximize profits. I am not sure how often this happens, but it is the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    What does that matter? If I don't agree with someone 100% of the time it doesn't count? Hmm?

    You once again prove why, you just can't be taken seriously.
    You once again prove you can't have a discussion without attacking. Here is why I ask:

    Every conservative in the world lately has been trying to rewrite FDR as some socialist who ruined the country, whose plans did nothing to help, and I have even seen him listed by conservatives as one of the worst presidents of all time.

    I happen to think FDR was a great, though I do not agree with him on this issue. That is quite different from thinking he is the worst president ever and then quoting him when I find something that matches my ideals.
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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Let me prove my point further:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/histor...-all-time.html
    Erod (Conservative) - FDR worst president
    cpwill (Conservative) - FDR worst president
    Silver Eagle (Conservative) - Appears to like FDR - good for him
    The Prof (Conservative) - FDR worst president
    Southern Man (Conservative) - FDR worse than Carter?
    TurtleDude (Neo-Conservative) - FDR in list of the worst
    Zimmer (Conservative) - FDR the worst
    masonkiller (?) - FDR worst
    OxymoronP (Conservative) - FDR the worst
    cpgrad08 (Conservative) - Carter and FDR are the worst

    I hope you can see why I am a bit weary of any conservative quoting FDR.
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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    You said that businesses and government exist for one sole purpose:

    To make profits.

    I said that you are incorrect. There was a time when that was true. There was a time when businesses could be sued because they acted in a manner that was a not to the benefit of the shareholder. This is not true anymore, as it is as much a job of a business to act ethically as it is to maximize profits. I am not sure how often this happens, but it is the case.



    You once again prove you can't have a discussion without attacking. Here is why I ask:

    Every conservative in the world lately has been trying to rewrite FDR as some socialist who ruined the country, whose plans did nothing to help, and I have even seen him listed by conservatives as one of the worst presidents of all time.

    I happen to think FDR was a great, though I do not agree with him on this issue. That is quite different from thinking he is the worst president ever and then quoting him when I find something that matches my ideals.
    You asked that last question to try and play a stupid verbal trap game, and I ain't playin it. FDR had a really good point about Unions and the public sector. Whatever other tangent or crusade you are on is immaterial.
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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    He rejected it because the CB powers, are PART of the problem. Something you ignore. He's trying to keep the Teachers Union from using that power to regain what they are about to lose and bust the budget again. Public Sector Unions should be BANNED. Don't ask me why, talk to FDR, talk to George Meany.
    SO, with CB the teachers agree to concessions, but CB is the problem. Something there does not connect...

    The reality is this has little to do with problems with unions, and everything to do with unions tend to represent and support democrats. So in the simplistic word of many conservatives, they are the enemy.
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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Class warfare at it's best. You make that claim, but that's because you aren't making the decisions. It's easy to SAY you'd cut your own salary to keep from laying off people, but that's naive populism speaking.

    THE INVESTORS want the cuts, to keep their money safe. Because those workers/portion of the company are not profitable.

    (yes I know this kinda went off target a bit but I had to defend against the silly commentary of Tashah calling my statement acidic.)
    Yes, this thread is a great example of class warfare. How dare those uppity union members dare to get coffee! They need to learn there place!
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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Aww... they got coffee...

    The bankers got hundreds of billions in tax payer money for screwing over the tax payer... and still get billions in bonuses despite not even remotely paying back the bail-outs they got...
    What does that have to do with the issue of the thread? Not a damn thing.
    A town being forced to buy coffee for their employees and the bailouts for companies are two separate issues.

    A bit of fake rage to deflect attention away from the bigger scandal that no one on the right dare talk about?
    You do not think I was pissed about the bailouts?
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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    SO, with CB the teachers agree to concessions, but CB is the problem. Something there does not connect...

    The reality is this has little to do with problems with unions, and everything to do with unions tend to represent and support democrats. So in the simplistic word of many conservatives, they are the enemy.
    The Union agreed in hopes of winning the PR war, "SEE SEE WE COMPROMISED!!" but they still want the big ace in the hole, CB.

    You really think this has to do with Dem Vs. Rep.? Nope, and that's why you, and your idealogical side are losing this battle, finally. The Wisconsin Teachers are GOING to lose their CB powers, and future generations will thank them for it.
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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes, this thread is a great example of class warfare. How dare those uppity union members dare to get coffee! They need to learn there place!
    That's all you got, parrot. Few if any pay you any mind anymore. The conversation had moved beyond the topic of coffee, do try to keep up.
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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    So tired of these propaganda pieces. It's typical to take one little thing and explode it into the reasons why unions must be destroyed. Partisan hacks from both sides have been doing this for as long as I have memory.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its crap like this why people are starting to despise unions. The only thing an employer owes an employee is wages for the work they do and compensation for any on the job injury or job related injury.



    Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers

    A Connecticut town must provide their union workers free coffee and milk, according to a ruling from the State Board of Labor Relations.

    The board also ordered town leaders to reinstate “Dress Down Fridays” for the union clerical and custodial workers.

    The dispute involved the town of Orange and the local chapter of the United Public Service Employees Union.

    The board determined the town retaliated against the union members for comments they made at a finance meeting in 2009.

    The day after that meeting, First Selectman James Zeloi eliminated the free coffee and milk and the following day ended “Dress Down Friday.” Zeoli told The New Haven Register that he pulled the plug on the coffee to save money and stopped casual Fridays because some employees were abusing the privilege.

    “It shows you how crazy state government has become,” Connecticut Republican Party Chairman Chris Healy told Fox News Radio. “You’d almost laugh at it, if it wasn’t so serious in tone.

    This is just another black eye on state government.”

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