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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If one does not feel that people are important, it allows one to not feel responsible for society.
    It's not acidic, it's REALITY.

    Why is that so hard for people to accept? Let's say you own Tashah's Manufacturing. Now, you had to get money to start this Co. Those people are called investor's. They now have entrusted you with their money not out of CHARITY but because they expect a profit. If you don't provide that, they'll cut their losses and you'll go out of business.

    So, ten years go by, you've grown into a big company with multiple factories in many places. Life is good! But there is some economic turmoil, maybe a big contract you had went under, you got out bid for another. Profits are falling, investors are getting worried, the board fears big losses...

    You are faced with laying off 10% of your workforce maybe closing a plant...

    Or losing the company.

    Now, who is expendable? The workers. Welcome to reality Tashah. I'm not cold hearted, I just don't DENY THE TRUTH.
    I think that explains my point, and why you... are so wrong in your commentary.
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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I think that explains my point, and why you... are so wrong in your commentary.
    If faced with cutting my own salary/benefits or laying people off, I'd cut my own salary and benefits.

    The issue that many have isn't that those above them are making more than them, it's the insane amount more that they are making, enough money for mansions and a full staff at home. But give the employees coffee? Pffft, that'd mean not buying a house for their dogs, so those people who make them so much money? They can go screw themselves.

    You seem to forget the company could not function without employees. It's not a dominant relationship, it's a symbiotic one.
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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    If faced with cutting my own salary/benefits or laying people off, I'd cut my own salary and benefits.

    The issue that many have isn't that those above them are making more than them, it's the insane amount more that they are making, enough money for mansions and a full staff at home. But give the employees coffee? Pffft, that'd mean not buying a house for their dogs, so those people who make them so much money? They can go screw themselves.

    You seem to forget the company could not function without employees. It's not a dominant relationship, it's a symbiotic one.

    Class warfare at it's best. You make that claim, but that's because you aren't making the decisions. It's easy to SAY you'd cut your own salary to keep from laying off people, but that's naive populism speaking.

    THE INVESTORS want the cuts, to keep their money safe. Because those workers/portion of the company are not profitable.

    (yes I know this kinda went off target a bit but I had to defend against the silly commentary of Tashah calling my statement acidic.)
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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Least it's supposed to work that way, but sadly we've got a large number of folks that think business are greedy horrible institutions that should be forced to pay workers huge salaries and great benefits because it's unfair the investors and upper management are rich...
    We also have a few knucklehead conservatives here with a notion that it is not a union's raison d'entre to get the best contract possible for their client. They also conveniently ignore the fact that *both management and labor* agree to the terms of a signed contract. They also somehow imagine that union negotiators wish upon a star and click their heels three times and presto... the utopian union contract drops out of the sky and falls into their arms like a baby dove. Poor management simply has to buck up and accept the union coup dé grace.

    Malarkey. In labor negotiations, both sides agree to sign on the dotted line.

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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its crap like this why people are starting to despise unions. The only thing an employer owes an employee is wages for the work they do and compensation for any on the job injury or job related injury.



    Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers

    A Connecticut town must provide their union workers free coffee and milk, according to a ruling from the State Board of Labor Relations.

    The board also ordered town leaders to reinstate “Dress Down Fridays” for the union clerical and custodial workers.

    The dispute involved the town of Orange and the local chapter of the United Public Service Employees Union.

    The board determined the town retaliated against the union members for comments they made at a finance meeting in 2009.

    The day after that meeting, First Selectman James Zeloi eliminated the free coffee and milk and the following day ended “Dress Down Friday.” Zeoli told The New Haven Register that he pulled the plug on the coffee to save money and stopped casual Fridays because some employees were abusing the privilege.

    “It shows you how crazy state government has become,” Connecticut Republican Party Chairman Chris Healy told Fox News Radio. “You’d almost laugh at it, if it wasn’t so serious in tone.

    This is just another black eye on state government.”
    Aww... they got coffee...

    The bankers got hundreds of billions in tax payer money for screwing over the tax payer... and still get billions in bonuses despite not even remotely paying back the bail-outs they got...

    A bit of fake rage to deflect attention away from the bigger scandal that no one on the right dare talk about?
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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    We also have a few knucklehead conservatives here with a notion that it is not a union's raison d'entre to get the best contract possible for their client. They also conveniently ignore the fact that *both management and labor* agree to the terms of a signed contract. They also somehow imagine that union negotiators wish upon a star and click their heels three times and presto... the utopian union contract drops out of the sky and falls into their arms like a baby dove. Poor management simply has to buck up and accept the union coup dé grace.

    Malarkey. In labor negotiations, both sides agree to sign on the dotted line.
    You showed me how you think, I'm not impressed at all. Tashah, your hypothetical company I used in my previous reply to you? Let's say the workers are unionized. They come to you and say they want X, Y and Z changes. You know this will hurt your bottom line... but they threaten to strike and lock out the company. What are you gonna do?

    Yeah, exactly. You are forced to make the changes or go out of business. The extreme cases end up like GM and Chrysler, driven into the ground by Union demands.
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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You showed me how you think, I'm not impressed at all.
    Ditto. You also ignore the fact that the teachers union here has agreed to accept cutbacks. Walker rejected it. This isn't about budget management. It's nothing less than union busting on the part of Walker and state Republicans. Wal-Martconsin.

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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Class warfare at it's best. You make that claim, but that's because you aren't making the decisions. It's easy to SAY you'd cut your own salary to keep from laying off people, but that's naive populism speaking.

    THE INVESTORS want the cuts, to keep their money safe. Because those workers/portion of the company are not profitable.

    (yes I know this kinda went off target a bit but I had to defend against the silly commentary of Tashah calling my statement acidic.)
    The point being made is that a company is nothing without its workforce. It sucks for the people in charge, but that's simply how a company works.

    So, what, because I'm not greedy enough, I'm therefore naive? That's a pretty weak argument.
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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm not a rabid Hannity of Beck fan and I'm not really all that fond of Unions. I think they once served a very valid purpose, but they've grown bloated and corrupt, and the purpose they once served is now served by a lot of other factors. In short, I see them as archaic and no longer necessary.
    If that's what you really believe, then you are terribly misinformed about the important role unions play in protecting American workers from corporate greed. You call yourself 'slightly liberal'? The liberal side of you should be ashamed of your remarks.


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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Gein View Post
    The polls are bull**** and polls aren't news.
    Ladies and gentlemen, the above is an example of a person who has no argument. Like a 5 yr old sticking his fingers in his ears and saying "I can't hear you, lalalalalalala". That's all you have? Poll after poll after poll shows a clear majority of Americans support unions. And all you can say is that polls are bull****? I'll be sure to use your own words against you next time I see you boasting about a poll that supports your view.


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