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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why should something like coffee be in any contract to begin with? Unless ofcourse your unions see the taxpayer that pays their salaries as someone to soak endlessly with even the smallest of perks. Nice. This is why the public is turning against unions, and membership as a whole across the country is 12%.

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    Why should coffee be in a contract? You'll have to ask the union or town. But I don't think it's unheard of for such stipulatiuons to be negotiated. That's why they're called negotiations. Unions and city/town/state officials come to an agreement. You may not like it, but that's how it works.

    By the way, poll after poll after poll shows that a clear majority of Americans stand behind unions. 60 - 70 % depending on the poll. Those are real numbers that can't be discounted. So, what were you saying about unions losing support? Your message got kind of lost in the numbers that prove your bogus claim wrong.


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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, the correct word here is taxpayer. This is the problem with PS Unions. And why FDR said that allowing them was "Unconscionable"...


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    The principal has nothing to do with unions and everything to do with retaliatory behavior. Unless taking away coffee is in the HR discipline policy, it should never be used for discipline.

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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wait, what? You mean you never said:




    You most certainly did say that....What are you trying to pull here?
    You are trying to put things together in ways not intended by me. Being for the working class does not mean being only for unions.


    In what world? It is slightly over 1 out of every 10 workers. That is damned near non existent. Hint: 1/10th of something is rather small.
    14.7 million is "rather small"? Really?


    [quote]Socialism is for the people, not the Socialist.[/quote[

    Oh yay, it's the "socialism" claim. Can't be a good right winger without bringing that one up every chance you get, no matter how irrelevant.

    Then you should be for what Gov. Walker is doing.
    Taking away from working people? No, I don't think so.



    Not quite. No business interest that I know of has a majority of workers in government sectors that could force a shutdown of government business like what has happened with the illegal strike in WI. What unions have here is purely corrupt and they should be forced to give that up.


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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    So because it wasn't in the story, you assume that it wasn't in the contract, and then put the burden of proof on your opposition when you can't back up your own claim. Is that about right?
    Excuse me, but I'm not the one that made the claim that it WAS in the contract with no proof offered. You see, the way it works is that if you make a claim that was not mentioned in the OP's news link, it's up to the person making the claim to prove it, NOT the one challenging the original claim.

    Now, having said that, I think it's safe to assume that the board who ruled in the union's favor didn't just decide out of the blue that union members are entitled to free coffee that was never negotiated in talks between the town and the union.
    Now, what were you saying about ASSumptions ????

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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You are trying to put things together in ways not intended by me. Being for the working class does not mean being only for unions.

    What? I used your own words, not edited, not broken up, just as you typed them....And if you think that demo's speak for me you are sadly mistaken.


    14.7 million is "rather small"? Really?

    Yep. BLS puts the size of the American workforce at about 138.5 million. You on the other hand boast 12 million as large. However, when you look at the entirety of the workforce it is 1/10th. If you want to believe that 1/10th is a huge number, then suppose you work for 1/10th your current salary and tell me how big it is.


    Oh yay, it's the "socialism" claim. Can't be a good right winger without bringing that one up every chance you get, no matter how irrelevant.
    Break the argument then. So far all you have are veiled insults and a whole lot of nothing.

    Taking away from working people? No, I don't think so.
    He's not taking anything away. in fact, he is making possible that competent teachers be paid more. Also, asking that they contribute half of what normal working people have to contribute for similar benefits. Wow, that's tough. You're just mad that he wants to end the ability for those people to welch on their word in the future and take back tomorrow what they supposedly concede today.

    This is pure exaggeration.
    I understand, you have no reasonable retort. Come on back when you have an argument. Otherwise, I accept your concession in the debate.


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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Excuse me, but I'm not the one that made the claim that it WAS in the contract with no proof offered. You see, the way it works is that if you make a claim that was not mentioned in the OP's news link, it's up to the person making the claim to prove it, NOT the one challenging the original claim.

    Now, what were you saying about ASSumptions ????
    You don't know what "having said that" means, do you? In other words, I admit that I don't have unequivical proof either, and I may seem hypocritical, but I feel that I'm right because, logically speaking, it doesn't make sense for a town to be ordered out of the blue to provide free coffee. Common sense tells you that if the union is getting free coffee, it must have been agreed to at some point.

    However, I will gladly own up to it if I'm proven wrong.


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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    You don't know what "having said that" means, do you? In other words, I admit that I don't have unequivical proof either, and I may seem hypocritical, but I feel that I'm right because, logically speaking, it doesn't make sense for a town to be ordered out of the blue to provide free coffee. Common sense tells you that if the union is getting free coffee, it must have been agreed to at some point.

    However, I will gladly own up to it if I'm proven wrong.
    The Board ruling clearly states that the coffee was reinstated ONLY because of the alledged retaliation by the city and had nothing to do with a contractual obligation. They stated that the free coffee and milk was a long-standing tradition.

    Case closed.

    Another example of a union getting a labor friendly state board to rule in its favor. I wonder how much money the union donates to members of the board each year??

    See what happens when you assume ???

    http://www.ctdol.state.ct.us/csblr/4490.pdf

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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    The Board ruling clearly states that the coffee was reinstated ONLY because of the alledged retaliation by the city and had nothing to do with a contractual obligation. They stated that the free coffee and milk was a long-standing tradition.

    Case closed.

    Another example of a union getting a labor friendly state board to rule in its favor. I wonder how much money the union donates to members of the board each year??

    See what happens when you assume ???

    http://www.ctdol.state.ct.us/csblr/4490.pdf
    You're right. The case is closed because the board ruled in the union's favor. But you have so far failed to prove that the coffee was not in a contract.


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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Another example of a union getting a labor friendly state board to rule in its favor.
    The MERA thingy and the related precedents are kind of explicit when they set out the criteria and evidence necessary to show that something is retaliatory. It's spelled out in some detail in the CTDoL link.
    The fault should actually be placed at the feet of the people who elected the legislature who wrote the law, not the committee who is charged with enforcing the law, imvho. YMMV.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I wonder how much money the union donates to members of the board each year??
    Get back to us on that one. How much money does that union donate to Connecticut Department of Labor?
    Last edited by Simon W. Moon; 03-07-11 at 05:19 PM. Reason: clarity
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Connecticut Town Ordered to Pay for Union Workers’ Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    You're right. The case is closed because the board ruled in the union's favor. But you have so far failed to prove that the coffee was not in a contract.
    And you have failed to prove that it was.

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