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    Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    folks.... this is where we should say "screw national sovereignty", and just go ahead and intervene. and no, a no-fly zone doesn't cut it.



    TRIPOLI, Libya — Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s militia stormed the rebels controlling the town of Zawiyah on Saturday morning in what two residents described as a “massacre.”

    “I am watching neighbors dying unarmed in front of their homes,” one resident said in a telephone interview, with the sounds of heavy weapons and machine-gun fire in the background. The resident said the militias were using tanks and heavy artillery, attacking from both the east and west gates of the town. “I don’t know how many are being killed, but I know my neighborhood is being killed,” the resident said...

    The assault followed a day of brazen counterattacks by Colonel Qaddafi’s militia, which battled rebel forces on two fronts on Friday, firing on unarmed protesters in front of international news media and leaving the rebels seeking his ouster in disarray.

    The militia’s actions seemed likely to stir renewed debate over international intervention to limit Colonel Qaddafi’s use of military power against his own citizens, possibly by imposing a no-flight zone.

    The latest siege of Zawiyah began on Friday, when the elite Khamis Brigade, a militia named for the Qaddafi son who commands it, surrounded the town and opened fire with mortars, machine guns and other heavy weapons, witnesses said, in two separate skirmishes...

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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    folks.... this is where we should say "screw national sovereignty", and just go ahead and intervene. and no, a no-fly zone doesn't cut it.

    TRIPOLI, Libya — Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s militia stormed the rebels controlling the town of Zawiyah on Saturday morning in what two residents described as a “massacre.”

    “I am watching neighbors dying unarmed in front of their homes,” one resident said in a telephone interview, with the sounds of heavy weapons and machine-gun fire in the background. The resident said the militias were using tanks and heavy artillery, attacking from both the east and west gates of the town. “I don’t know how many are being killed, but I know my neighborhood is being killed,” the resident said...

    The assault followed a day of brazen counterattacks by Colonel Qaddafi’s militia, which battled rebel forces on two fronts on Friday, firing on unarmed protesters in front of international news media and leaving the rebels seeking his ouster in disarray.

    The militia’s actions seemed likely to stir renewed debate over international intervention to limit Colonel Qaddafi’s use of military power against his own citizens, possibly by imposing a no-flight zone.

    The latest siege of Zawiyah began on Friday, when the elite Khamis Brigade, a militia named for the Qaddafi son who commands it, surrounded the town and opened fire with mortars, machine guns and other heavy weapons, witnesses said, in two separate skirmishes...
    Still, a no-fly zone and plenty of humanitarian aid is a good start. One we've neglected too long. It's time for the U.S. to take unilateral action. Others will fall in line. Who could possibly criticize our decision to intervene in this manner? To wait any longer would be a travesty.

    I have this vision in my head of the rebels desperately hoping that their deaths are drawing attention and support from the rest of the world. We've simply got to act before the run out of warm bodies.
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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    as the protesters in Iran chanted as they were dragged into darkened vans. "Obama, Obama, you are either with us or you are with them."

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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Still, a no-fly zone and plenty of humanitarian aid is a good start. .
    Or not arming people like Gadafi in the first place.

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    It's awful that this is allowed to go on. The man is simply slaughtering anyone who dares protest against his tyranny.
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    They don't want us to intervene. I say we don't intervene.

    This is exactly what everyone around the world has been cryin' about for the past 30+ years; I say we give them exactly what they want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They don't want us to intervene. I say we don't intervene.

    This is exactly what everyone around the world has been cryin' about for the past 30+ years; I say we give them exactly what they want.
    Screw the world, there are basic moral principles and if a tyrant starts massacring his population then I think an intervention is not merely necessary but is a must. I don't think the US alone should be the one to intervene there, I think the entire world should take act to stop the madness of the Gaddafi regime.

    I also don't think the UN is capable of leading such intervention, considering it's only been until a few weeks ago that Libya was heading the UN human rights council,
    what an organization of hypocrites it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Screw the world, there are basic moral principles and if a tyrant starts massacring his population then I think an intervention is not merely necessary but is a must. I don't think the US alone should be the one to intervene there, I think the entire world should take act to stop the madness of the Gaddafi regime.

    I also don't think the UN is capable of leading such intervention, considering it's only been until a few weeks ago that Libya was heading the UN human rights council,
    what an organization of hypocrites it is.
    Believe me, when I say that I agree. But, alotta people have been claiming that America cocking things up. I think they should take this oppurtunity to show us how it's done; how their way of thinking is better.
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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Screw the world, there are basic moral principles and if a tyrant starts massacring his population then I think an intervention is not merely necessary but is a must. I don't think the US alone should be the one to intervene there, I think the entire world should take act to stop the madness of the Gaddafi regime.

    I also don't think the UN is capable of leading such intervention, considering it's only been until a few weeks ago that Libya was heading the UN human rights council,
    what an organization of hypocrites it is.
    Let's not get hysterical here. While it is unfortunate that people have been killed it hardly seems like killing of the scope of Dufar where the world did nothing. If the U.S. was to get involved every time a few hundred people wanting to overthrow their government get killed we would be in tens of countries. Why?

    Do you say the same thing about saudi Arabia, where they have said any protests will be clamped down on. Do we intervene in Iran where hundreds or thousands of protesters who did not take up arms are killed?

    Is there some ratio you have that translates the amount of oil you produce into the number you are allowed to kill before we intervene.

    Not to mention the fact that these are the same people that tolerated this regime for fourty years while he advanced terrorism in the world including killing a couple of hundred American citizens, many college kids. They did not care enough to throw him out then, why should we risk one American kid for them now???

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    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Let's not get hysterical here. While it is unfortunate that people have been killed it hardly seems like killing of the scope of Dufar where the world did nothing. If the U.S. was to get involved every time a few hundred people wanting to overthrow their government get killed we would be in tens of countries. Why?

    Do you say the same thing about saudi Arabia, where they have said any protests will be clamped down on. Do we intervene in Iran where hundreds or thousands of protesters who did not take up arms are killed?

    Is there some ratio you have that translates the amount of oil you produce into the number you are allowed to kill before we intervene.

    Not to mention the fact that these are the same people that tolerated this regime for fourty years while he advanced terrorism in the world including killing a couple of hundred American citizens, many college kids. They did not care enough to throw him out then, why should we risk one American kid for them now???
    That purdy much sums it up, Apocalypse. The lack of knowledge on the side that thinks that American intervention is always bad has just been illustrated in living color.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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