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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    I don't believe a no-fly-zone is a good idea. It would take a massive air effort to be effective and would hinder, but not stop, Qaddafi's ground offensives. Taking out his air assets quickly and decisively is a better option over a NFZ.

    Any effective measure short of direct US military intervention should be tried first. I think we're past diplomacy with Qaddafi. Besides some sort of armed intervention to cripple his military I don't know what else will work.
    My preference is covert arms aid e.g., supplying a limited arsenal of anti-aircraft weapons. I won't object to U.S. participation in a no-fly zone, but it isn't my preference.

    As for diplomacy, I believe the U.S. should recognize the TNC as the transitional Libyan government. Given Gadhafi's strained relationship with the U.S., I don't believe the U.S. could contribute much to diplomatically persuading him to step down. Some other states with stronger ties might have such diplomatic capabilities.

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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    We are not the ever-forgiving parent who continuously bails the bad child out of jail.

    And I don't know where this 'the US IS the world's savior' sentiment even came from - we most certainly have abstained in the past from involving in the heavier affairs of the world and entered late into WWI, WWII - and so on - until it more heavily affected us.

    All I know is that in the last decade our efforts to intervene on a country's behalf has created such serious problems for ourselves that we haven't dug ourselves out, yet - and we're still quite immersed in THOSE issues.

    This would just add another layer of **** onto our problems and complicate things even more.
    We are not the world’s police force and this wouldn't be bailing out a wayward child IMO.

    This presents another opportunity for the US to side with people fighting for freedoms, human rights and self determination in a part of the world where such things have been practically non-existent.

    We understand that free and peaceful nations are easier to deal with than nations run by dictators and terrorists. Our foreign policy efforts over the last few decades have been to achieve just that.
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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    With respect to the Transitional National Council (TNC), it seems that they have called for a no-fly zone minutes ago. From BBC:



    The latter statement could be aimed at helping make it more in various countries' national interest to recognize the TNC and participate/support a no-fly zone.

    IMO, formal diplomatic recognition should be given to the TNC. I would not object to U.S. participation in a no-fly zone given the TNC's request for it. Arab League support for the no-fly zone would be ideal.

    Having said that, I still do not believe U.S. military intervention should go beyond that. Hence, I don't believe the U.S. should carry out tactical air strikes, except those that might be necessary to implement a no-fly zone. It can and should provide weapons to the TNC and perhaps satellite Intelligence. But the fighting should be carried out by Libyans.
    I hope the TNC succeeds in their efforts. I'd like to help them any way possible and if US intervention can be avoided then I’m all for that.

    I still don’t believe a NFZ will stop Qaddafi. I could be wrong.

    Nice find with the BBC article.
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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    I feel for the people but our getting involved is a bad idea. This is part of the problem with Muslim country's etc hating us. We need to mind our own business. Not like we don't have enough problems of our own to work out.
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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    s there some ratio you have that translates the amount of oil you produce into the number you are allowed to kill before we intervene.
    geeez.. tell us you're not one of those 'no blood for oil' nimrods... if we were in Iraq for the free oil, why is it costing me double to fill my tank from about a year ago?

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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Oh, and if we get militarily involved and Obama ****s it up, he should return his 'Peace' prize.

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