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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by Radical Ron View Post
    Why is intervention seemingly so necessary. I mean we will lose good people for a middle eastern country that will just keep spiraling out of control anyway. I mean it would be a waste of time and resources that we could use elsewhere.
    1930's Europe suddenly comes to mind.
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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Saddam killed 5000 of his own people with WMD's, raped and tortured countless others, and we couldn't even get the liberal left on board to go intervene.

    Never underestimate how truly worthless some people are when it comes to stopping a madman. Ron, that was the days before the modern day liberal party, a worthless, cowardly, spineless party that stands for nothing and falls for anything.
    But 0bama is sending a delegation to Europe to having meetings!! He's talking about doing something!!

    This strong leadership from 0bama amounts to nothing less than another Nobel Peace Prize winning performance from the leader of the free world.

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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    1930's Europe suddenly comes to mind.
    In terms of Gadhafi's ambitions (largely political survival for his dictatorship/family succession) and the region's balance of power implications, things are vastly different from the 1930s. Hitler had huge ambitions, including the rebuilding of an "empire" and Germany's rising power/gaining territory through threats or military action were dramatically upsetting the balance of power in Europe. Things were heading toward German regional preeminence. Libya is not even close to becoming a dominant North African power. One has to look to Iran for genuine balance of power implications that are hostile to U.S. interests and allies.

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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    But 0bama is sending a delegation to Europe to having meetings!! He's talking about doing something!!

    This strong leadership from 0bama amounts to nothing less than another Nobel Peace Prize winning performance from the leader of the free world.

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    Yeah yeah we get it you dislike liberals and don't think they can defend the US, what else is new

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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    1930's Europe suddenly comes to mind.
    Why does everything have to be WW2 with you?

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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by Radical Ron View Post
    Why is intervention seemingly so necessary. I mean we will lose good people for a middle eastern country that will just keep spiraling out of control anyway. I mean it would be a waste of time and resources that we could use elsewhere.
    That's a respectable opinion but in this case military intervention is the right choice. Military intervention is never an easy decision to make and it shouldn’t be. The people of Libya are fighting tanks, artillery and fighter/bombers with AK's and a few AAA guns. They need help. Now.

    We don't necessarily have to send in ground troops but it may, as others have pointed out, be necessary to send in small units to designate targets.

    Striking Libyan military bases, especially those being used as offensive staging points and their air assets, would at least severely limit Qaddafi's ability to slaughter his own people.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Yeah yeah we get it you dislike liberals and don't think they can defend the US, what else is new
    Nothing new. Most liberals still don't understand what it takes to achieve peace and freedom in this world and they sure as hell have no intention to find out.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    That's a respectable opinion but in this case military intervention is the right choice. Military intervention is never an easy decision to make and it shouldn’t be. The people of Libya are fighting tanks, artillery and fighter/bombers with AK's and a few AAA guns. They need help. Now.

    We don't necessarily have to send in ground troops but it may, as others have pointed out, be necessary to send in small units to designate targets.

    Striking Libyan military bases, especially those being used as offensive staging points and their air assets, would at least severely limit Qaddafi's ability to slaughter his own people.
    There are alternatives to military intervention and even "no fly" zones. For example, the U.S. could covertly provide the anti-Gadhafi forces with a limited arsenal of anti-aircraft missiles to take out Gadhafi's fighter jets and his helicopters. Once the regime starts losing those military assets, its conduct on the battlefield would shift and the anti-Gadhafi forces' military prospects with respect to capturing the rest of Libya would be enhanced.

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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Nothing new. Most liberals still don't understand what it takes to achieve peace and freedom in this world and they sure as hell have no intention to find out.
    So since you're a conservative and apperently do have the know how.

    Please explain how YOU would achieve peace and freedom in this world? I'm curious since it's one of my ambitions.

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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Why does everything have to be WW2 with you?
    How about South Korea? Will that work as an acceptable example?
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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