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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    What about Sudan? Who I think atrocities and deaths eclipses many of the others you mentioned.

    Darfur did not call for a intervention and war. Why should Libya?
    What makes Libya so special to get the world's attention but Darfur was ignored?
    Perhaps it's because the SLM/A and JEM are just as bad or worse than the current 'Government'.

    What do you think the reason is? Sudan seems to have plenty of oil.


    The Sudanese government uses oil revenues to fund a military capacity that is in turn, used to conduct war in Darfur. Oil revenues collected from companies around the world fund the civil war as well as violations of international human rights and humanitarian law. Sudanís oil wealth has played a major part in enabling an otherwise poor government to fund the expensive bombers, helicopters and arms supplies which have allowed the Sudanese government to launch aerial attacks on towns and villages and fund militias to fight its proxy war in Darfur.
    War in Darfur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its very interesting to see some of the most spineless chicken ****s on the planet that post on this site suddenly calling for someone ELSE (not THEM mind you...they would never lower themselves to actually back their words and go do the job themselves) to go to war over a brutal dictator that is killing his people. The same people that would and have called Bush a war criminal for removing the same kind of sadistic asshole. I guess that little party letter behind the presidents name means everything...
    With some people, and they know who they are, it certainly matters who's doing the liberating.
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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We would have to go up against the Chinese Army and the Muslim militias that are committing the genocide, if we intervened in Sudan. I don't think anyone is ready to open that can of worms.

    You ready for U.S. forces to go into Sudan and start hosing down Muslims with heavy weapons fire? Be honest.
    Kill them all if they are committing genocide against Africans.

    I have said it before and I'll say it again.
    Darfur did not warrant intervention from the World. Why should Libya? Leave it alone.
    It is not our problem or business.

    When a genocide happens, then the argument may change but until then.
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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    In what might be an important development, if the story is accurate, BBC reported the following concerning an Al Jazeera report (due to heavy web traffic, I was unable to access the Al Jazeera story in question):

    2158: Al-Jazeera has just reported that Col Gaddafi is to hold a people's congress to let him stand down with guarantees. There have been various unverified rumours to this effect on Twitter today.

    If the story is accurate, it might indicate that the Gadhafi dictatorship is not in as strong a position as it has claimed in repeated press conferences. It could indicate that the dictator is worried that there is growing risk to his own safety and that of his family.

    Needless to say, I believe several things would be necessary:

    1. Neither Col Gadhafi nor his family would have any role in government.
    2. The Transitional National government would oversee the so-called "people's congress."
    3. The Transitional National Council would oversee the political transition toward a new, more representative Libyan government.

    If such terms are available and Gadhafi and his followers would assure stability in exchange, then the deal could be reasonable. Of course, that would mean refraining from prosecuting Col. Gadhafi and his family, but the overall benefits of stability and an opportunity to build a new political system in Libya would outweigh foregoing prosecution. Absent those terms, there would be real risk that Col. Gadhafi and/or some of his family members would still retain significant control over Libya's governance and political evolution. I don't believe such an outcome should be accepted, as it would minimize the possible gains achieved from the populist uprising while providing protection to Col. Gadhafi and his family.

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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Apparently, some type of offer was floated, but it was rejected.

    From BBC:

    2248: The rebels rejected the deal as it would mean an "honourable" exit for Col Gaddafi, Reuters quotes the channel as saying.

    Again, there is a lot of uncertainty as to the specific terms involved. But now it is clear that an offer had been made. What is significant is that the Gadhafi regime is now looking for a way out. That suggests that its on-the-ground position is weaker than what has been presented to the media and that the regime does not have absolute confidence that it can or will retain power. Of course, there still remains some possibility that the dictatorship will retain control over a part of Libya for some time to come. There is also a risk that left with no "escape" so to speak, the dictatorship might have little incentive but to roll the proverbial dice and fight for its survival.

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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    I wonder if el-Qaddafi will blame it on the SAS arrested there? Or has he already claimed credit for it?
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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    I'm getting really fed up with all this "talk" from the Western Powers, do something or don't but I'm tired of all this ****ing "talk".

    Jesus, I can talk too... but I don't have a goddamned aircraft carrier at my disposal....

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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I'm getting really fed up with all this "talk" from the Western Powers, do something or don't but I'm tired of all this ****ing "talk".

    Jesus, I can talk too... but I don't have a goddamned aircraft carrier at my disposal....
    Geeezz, switch to decaf.

    There was a time, not long ago, when the 'Western Powers' would be doing much more than talking tough and giving empty speeches.
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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Still, a no-fly zone and plenty of humanitarian aid is a good start. One we've neglected too long. It's time for the U.S. to take unilateral action. Others will fall in line. Who could possibly criticize our decision to intervene in this manner? To wait any longer would be a travesty.

    I have this vision in my head of the rebels desperately hoping that their deaths are drawing attention and support from the rest of the world. We've simply got to act before the run out of warm bodies.
    Saddam killed 5000 of his own people with WMD's, raped and tortured countless others, and we couldn't even get the liberal left on board to go intervene.

    Never underestimate how truly worthless some people are when it comes to stopping a madman. Ron, that was the days before the modern day liberal party, a worthless, cowardly, spineless party that stands for nothing and falls for anything.
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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Why is intervention seemingly so necessary. I mean we will lose good people for a middle eastern country that will just keep spiraling out of control anyway. I mean it would be a waste of time and resources that we could use elsewhere.
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