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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    It's not the US's role to help out in the revolutions of other countries. It never has been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's not the US's role to help out in the revolutions of other countries. It never has been.
    Sure it has. We have done it enough times on each side of a potential revolution.
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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It shouldn't be the US's role to help out in the revolutions of other countries. But it's happened multiple times throughout American history.
    There I fixed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Sure it has. We have done it enough times on each side of a revolution.
    Not really. We haven't helped anybody. We've looked for our best interests. Just ask Cubans. Freed them fromt Spain only to install dictators.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Not really. We haven't helped anybody. We've looked for our best interests. Just ask Cubans. Freed them fromt Spain only to install dictators.
    Well, powers don't altruistically help one another for the sake of it. It serves their interests to involve themselves.
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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    What we should KNOW by this point is that intervention or non-intervention...there are nothing but no win scenarios here. If we get involved, radical Muslims and heck...lots of folks in Europe as well...will all scream about our evil intentions of stirring this all up as a plot to take their oil. If Obama acts, he gets nailed. If he doesnt act, he gets nailed. Obama is wearing Bush's boots right now...I wonder how comfortable he is in them.

    I HOPE there are things going on with other nations. I HOPE our government is communicating with other nations on solutions. I dont think we should have intervened but I do think our message should have been clear...whatever that message is. Personally...I would like to see Obama go before the world, encourage the UN, NATO, and the AL to take clear and decisive action. I would also like to see him look right into the camera and promise to give them the same kind of support they have given the US.

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    Although I am assuming that that post would not have been liked by the both of you had I also inserted I am perfectly fine with action being taken for the perceived national interest, at least rhetorically (always depending upon the situation).
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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    FWIW, there may be an old-fashioned siege underway at Zawiya. From the BBC:

    1607: A doctor in Zawiya has told Sky News the city is being starved into submission, with supplies of food, fuel and medicine cut off.

    In the larger scheme of things, the fighting is being concentrated in strategically important areas (mainly where large oil refineries are located). The Gadhafi forces lack the power to regain control of the entire country. They are focusing their efforts on a handful of strategic sites.

    IMO, in those areas that the anti-Gadhafi forces cannot control, they should destroy the oil refineries. In doing so, they would deprive the Gadhafi military forces of fuel and, over time, fuel shortages could thwart their capacity to bring tanks and fighter jets into battle. At that point, the balance of power could shift decisively in favor of the anti-Gadhafi forces.

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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    FWIW, there may be an old-fashioned siege underway at Zawiya. From the BBC:

    1607: A doctor in Zawiya has told Sky News the city is being starved into submission, with supplies of food, fuel and medicine cut off.

    In the larger scheme of things, the fighting is being concentrated in strategically important areas (mainly where large oil refineries are located). The Gadhafi forces lack the power to regain control of the entire country. They are focusing their efforts on a handful of strategic sites.

    IMO, in those areas that the anti-Gadhafi forces cannot control, they should destroy the oil refineries. In doing so, they would deprive the Gadhafi military forces of fuel and, over time, fuel shortages could thwart their capacity to bring tanks and fighter jets into battle. At that point, the balance of power could shift decisively in favor of the anti-Gadhafi forces.
    Potentially problematic in that if/when they (the revolution) do prevail, they will have crippled the the nations money tree moving forward.

    Suppose if they know what they are doing they could "disable" the ability to produce. Not a bad idea. But actually destroying the refineries/oil fields does not sound like a good option.

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    Re: Qaddaffi launches counterattack: "massacre" claimed by witnesses

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Believe me, when I say that I agree. But, alotta people have been claiming that America cocking things up. I think they should take this oppurtunity to show us how it's done; how their way of thinking is better.
    no. tempting as it is, a fit of pique is no reason to turn a blind eye to the slaughter of innocents.

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