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Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

uh oh, more union busting, another big win for the class warfare crowd

Massachusetts mayors are warning state lawmakers that without dramatic changes to the way municipalities provide health care to their public workers, cities and towns will face dire fiscal straits for the foreseeable future, threatening core local services from police to road repairs. The mayors issued their warning during a Statehouse hearing on a series of proposals on ways to overhaul insurance coverage for municipal employees.

Boston Mayor Thomas Menino said the state's largest city is already grappling with the effects of skyrocketing health care costs. He said in the past decade those costs have soared by 142 percent while all other spending grew by 27 percent. For every dollar the city spends on health insurance, Menino said, it spends just a nickel on snow removal and community centers. "The status quo is a stampede of increasing costs that will break cities and towns," he said. "If we do nothing ... Boston will continue to spend more on health care than on the entire police department."

Menino wasn't alone. New Bedford Mayor Scott Lang said his city is also looking at ongoing cuts to services unless mayors and town administrators are given more control over health care plans for their workers.

Lang said a proposal unveiled on Monday by a coalition of unions representing public workers was a start, but didn't "scratch the surface" of the kind of overhaul needed to get spending under control. Union officials said their plan would save an estimated $120 million in the first year, while preserving collective bargaining rights. Lang, who supports a proposal by the Massachusetts Municipal Association that would strengthen the hands of city and town leaders over health care plans for workers, said the goal should be to develop a way to provide quality health care plans that are also affordable. "Otherwise, in order to pay for the health care plans you are going to be laying off the very employees that the unions represent," Lang said.

MA Mayors and Unions Debate Costs

it's just that beastly bottom line, it's ubiquitous

why, it's in THE BAY STATE
 
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The president stressed his displeasure with several aspects of the agreement, especially the extended tax cuts for the highest earners and the 35 percent rate for the estate tax.

why, the poor thing

i guess hostage presidents aren't really responsible

I guess it would be fair to add that if Obama hadn't agreed to the tax cuts for the wealthy, the middle class would have paid the price by losing theirs

and it would be fair to add that the president PUNTED this central relationship between every american and his or her internal revenue service for two years, until his lame duck quacked it a couple days before new years eve

Why is it that one party always takes the side of the wealthy and the corporations over the middle-class, the ones that make corporations and wealthy people wealthy.

ask obama
 
and who makes the actual products?

when the business is a guy out of his living room?

the chinese :D

Your world - a world where you attempt to intellectually justify the absence of workers - is a nightmare and an abomination.

i'm not trying to intellectually justify the absence of workers; i'm just saying that their presence is an addition, it is a result of the owner of the business' action; not the other way 'round.
 
Exactly....and Walker is losing the war in the public arena. I would expect that Republicans are trying to figure out how to save face while finding a way out of the mess. Every day that this goes on, it is a victory for the people of the state of Wisconsin against a corrupt government that is seeking to silence the voice of the people.

:) care to make a li'l wager on who wins this fight? I'll bet you a weeks' sig line that union collective bargaining contracts get restricted.
 
Call it whatever you want, it is a fact that Republicans have done whatever it takes to derail legislation they are not in favor of.

I will await with baited breath the news stories you will no doubt be able to cite discussing Republicans fleeing Washington DC in order to stop Obamacare from becoming law.
 
:) care to make a li'l wager on who wins this fight? I'll bet you a weeks' sig line that union collective bargaining contracts get restricted.

I think there will definitely be some restrictions...but Walker has lost the war to eliminate the voice of the workers....its now just a matter of how much egg he is going to end up with on his face.
 
I'm surprised no one's arguments on behalf of the unions centered on one key piece of this proposed legislation. I personally missed it; perhaps others on the pro-union side did as well.

Walker's legislation included recertification of the unions every year with a majority of the membership having to vote for the union in order for it to continue. (That as compared to a majority of votes cast.) I knew that it included that recertification, but didn't understand until this morning the implications of requiring a majority of the membership to recertify. Whole new ballgame. I caught it only after reading that some are suggesting that emails going back and forth have compromised on this point (among others).

After learning of this one leg of the bill, I have to now agree that Walker's final intent was to have the opportunity to abolish teachers' unions. I am very surprised that I didn't see that argument posted here on DP. I don't think I could have defended that bit of legislation had I known about it.

As for restricting some of their bargaining rights, I still support that wholeheartedly....but I have to agree with what others have said -- that Walker is going to compromise even on those.
 
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I'm surprised no one's arguments on behalf of the unions centered on one key piece of this proposed legislation. I personally missed it; perhaps others on the pro-union side did as well.

Walker's legislation included recertification of the unions every year with a majority of the membership having to vote for the union in order for it to continue. (That as compared to a majority of votes cast.) I knew that it included that recertification, but didn't understand until this morning the implications of requiring a majority of the membership to recertify. Whole new ballgame. I caught it only after reading that some are suggesting that emails going back and forth have compromised on this point (among others).

After learning of this one leg of the bill, I have to now agree that Walker's final intent was to have the opportunity to abolish teachers' unions. I am very surprised that I didn't see that argument posted here on DP. I don't think I could have defended that bit of legislation had I known about it.

As for restricting some of their bargaining rights, I still support that wholeheartedly....but I have to agree with what others have said -- that Walker is going to compromise even on those.
just over at CNN.COM reading about the situation...seems that walker is starting to soften his stance a bit...the pressure is on him from republican senators who are the target of a recall....yeah, like i've been saying, he is out to union bust...your right though, i didnt think to mention that one....hopefully they get something worked out shortly....the whole 're-certify' thing walker is going to have to drop, that is really none of his business.
 
Really? I guess that's why the majority of people in Wisconsin are siding with the unions, right, because they are rejecting the unions! :lol:

New Polls show Wisconsin Voters support Protestors

Most Americans Side With Unions


Rasmussen's Unfair Method to Influence Pollsters against Unions


Man, you are going to have to do way better than that. Your first story does little more than link an opinion piece from HuffPost, and the two DailyBeast stories use the NYtimes as their sources, all of which do not link to the actual polls themselves let alone the internals of those polls.

So what you are really saying is that since your liberal outlets say it's so, then it must be....Sorry. I don't buy it for a second.


j-mac
 
just over at CNN.COM reading about the situation...seems that walker is starting to soften his stance a bit...the pressure is on him from republican senators who are the target of a recall....yeah, like i've been saying, he is out to union bust...your right though, i didnt think to mention that one....hopefully they get something worked out shortly....the whole 're-certify' thing walker is going to have to drop, that is really none of his business.


None of his business? GAWD, do you union leaches ever step back and listen to yourselves? This thing could be solved by the 6 pm news today, if the childish union, and their demo minion would get their ass back to Madison and join reality.


j-mac
 
None of his business? GAWD, do you union leaches ever step back and listen to yourselves? This thing could be solved by the 6 pm news today, if the childish union, and their demo minion would get their ass back to Madison and join reality.


j-mac
speaking of children...mornin' j :mrgreen::2razz:
 
speaking of children...mornin' j :mrgreen::2razz:

Ha! good one....Morning. BTW, I asked yesterday, didn't catch an answer from you Randel Maybe you could give one today?

Do you consider yourself an above average worker?


j-mac
 
Ha! good one....Morning. BTW, I asked yesterday, didn't catch an answer from you Randel Maybe you could give one today?

Do you consider yourself an above average worker?


j-mac
i consider myself to be no better than anyone else j...i get up, i put my pants on one leg at a time, just like everyone else.
 
i consider myself to be no better than anyone else j...i get up, i put my pants on one leg at a time, just like everyone else.


Here we go....I didn't ask if you thought YOU were better than everyone else, I asked if you considered yourself an above average worker?


j-mac
 
Here we go....I didn't ask if you thought YOU were better than everyone else, I asked if you considered yourself an above average worker?


j-mac
indeed you did, and i told you, i'm no better than anyone else...
 
indeed you did, and i told you, i'm no better than anyone else...

Ok, so you are just average....I accept that...Maybe you do need a union then, but for those of us who are out here going over and above to make our companies better, our products better, our country better, we don't see that just average people should make the same as us, and demand that I don't have to adhere to some collective settlement that caps my potential....But I am glad that you are protected for your particular apathy, and level of competence, or incompetence which ever it may be Randel.


j-mac
 
Ok, so you are just average....I accept that...Maybe you do need a union then, but for those of us who are out here going over and above to make our companies better, our products better, our country better, we don't see that just average people should make the same as us, and demand that I don't have to adhere to some collective settlement that caps my potential....But I am glad that you are protected for your particular apathy, and level of competence, or incompetence which ever it may be Randel.


j-mac
i work with alot of good people j, and we put in an honest days work for an honest days pay....whether you believe that or not, i really don't care....i'm union, and proud of it. at times j, i have to say, you sound jealous....sorry about your luck.
 
Recall election.

Nah, nah, nah... hey, hey, hey.... Good-bye, Corporate puppet tool.

LOL, whatever.

They'll build statues of this guy one day.

The chicken is finally coming home to roost for you lazy, hide-behind-the-union misfits, and it's frankly quite fun to watch.
 
i work with alot of good people j, and we put in an honest days work for an honest days pay....whether you believe that or not, i really don't care....i'm union, and proud of it. at times j, i have to say, you sound jealous....sorry about your luck.


Jealous? :lamo Hardly. All I am saying is that part of the problem is that, and I am positive that you can look around your shop and find these, people that slack, people that don't "put in an honest days work, for an honest days pay" but yet they are protected just like you. They make the same as you, and sponge off of your work ethic. Doesn't it bother you in the slightest that they and you are the same in the eyes of your employer?

j-mac
 
Jealous? :lamo Hardly. All I am saying is that part of the problem is that, and I am positive that you can look around your shop and find these, people that slack, people that don't "put in an honest days work, for an honest days pay" but yet they are protected just like you. They make the same as you, and sponge off of your work ethic. Doesn't it bother you in the slightest that they and you are the same in the eyes of your employer?

j-mac

you are definitely jealous, don't know why i didnt see it earlier...the people i work with have to pull their weight j...if anyone thinks that they can hire into my workplace and slack, they have another thing coming. those who think they will slack, don't last the first week....a couple days of a press whoopin' their ass and they head for the door. i work with a good group...
 
Jealous? :lamo Hardly. All I am saying is that part of the problem is that, and I am positive that you can look around your shop and find these, people that slack, people that don't "put in an honest days work, for an honest days pay" but yet they are protected just like you. They make the same as you, and sponge off of your work ethic. Doesn't it bother you in the slightest that they and you are the same in the eyes of your employer?

j-mac
he already said he is better then nobody. so he isn't average, he is far below average. average people are better then some, worse then others.
 
I can't and refuse to support spoiled brats. That's what the protesters are. Nothing more. In the real world we don't get to tell our bosses the hours we want to work. We don't get to name our price. We don't get to dictate our vacation time, sick time, or many other things. Let's not forget the GM workers in the crack house or drinking on break...........
 
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