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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Riiight...if that were true then why not address the main point of my post instead of completely ignoring it?

    Walker campaigned on reducing debt. Getting rid of collective bargaining will reduce debt in the long run. True or false?

    Also if WI voters had wanted an step by step outline of how Walker was going to accomplish his promises then perhaps they should have demanded that he provide one before electing him into office. By not doing so they left it up to him. As such its thier fault for not getting all the information about the candidate that they elected.
    I did not realize your post had a main point.

    If Walker got hold of and then dropped an atomic bomb on Wisconsin and the state was wiped out so would the debt. But he did not campaign on that tactic either.
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    And you STILL ignore the main point that was in contention of your demand for proof of Walkers exact steps.

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    I am sure that many did do just that.
    Apparently not. Otherwise you wouldn't be demanding it NOW.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

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    I did not realize your post had a main point.
    Try reading it again.

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    If Walker got hold of and then dropped an atomic bomb on Wisconsin and the state was wiped out so would the debt. But he did not campaign on that tactic either.


    Edit note: Btw...splitting one post into two of yours? Seriously?
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Riiight...if that were true then why not address the main point of my post instead of completely ignoring it?

    Walker campaigned on reducing debt. Getting rid of collective bargaining will reduce debt in the long run. True or false?

    Also if WI voters had wanted an step by step outline of how Walker was going to accomplish his promises then perhaps they should have demanded that he provide one before electing him into office. By not doing so they left it up to him. As such its thier fault for not getting all the information about the candidate that they elected.
    They also would have had a pretty good idea from his past record. In fact his record is probably why many voted for him in the first place. His actions shouldn't be surprising to anyone.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    In your failing effort to be clever , you seem to miss a great deal.

    On walker not revealing his plan to the voters... I said this in response to you who said voters should have asked during the campaign


    I am sure that many did do just that.
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    Apparently not. Otherwise you wouldn't be demanding it NOW.
    You fail to get the point. Walker indeed may have been asked for exact detail but he played coy and calculating and determined such a revelation could well cost him more than it gained him. the True Believers were with him regardless and if he could fool some union households into voting for him and he did. Now, polls indicate that enough union households have turned against him precisely because of the details that he would not release during the campaign.

    I have little doubt that the far right True Believers hoped in their darkest recesses of what passes for their hearts that Walker would do just what he is doing - and even go much further. We hear from them now. Sadly, that was not enough for him to win in November and he had to hide the nefarious details of his true plan to basically destroy the unions and their rights.
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    And how many of WI households are public sector union households that once voted for Walker that are now pulling their support? I am sure he'll be just fine. This mess is of demo making and the people see that.


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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    They have a 137 deficit in the current fiscal period that has to be taken care of. The tax cuts are not and have not added a penny to that cost.
    So if you were $137 M in debt, would you cut your income over the next several years by $100 M?


    The "100 million over the next several years" that you quoted pales in comparison to the costs of public sector employees' benefits and salary in WI for just one year.
    So your plan is eliminate teacher's pay and benefits?

    They have to close the 3-4 billion dollar deficit projected for the next fiscal period. Taking back the "100 million over the next several years" will not even make a dent.
    Its going to make a big dent in Education for the state of Wisconsin.

    The cuts have to come from the areas of biggest spending. Guess where that happens to be?
    From the most important state role, educating our children. Which is exactly what I said before that some claim the priority should be tax breaks for corporations instead, and you seem to agree with that change in priorities.
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Not sure. Neither do you. However, it is smart. Especially with my states recent (and dumb) tax hikes. I expect quite a few businesses to leave IL and move to WI.
    So whoever is willing to have the stupidist children wins?
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What a line of BS. All these governors are making all these cuts to make their states friendly to business. What are they going to all do - steal from each other? In Michigan Snyder is cutting business taxes by $1.8 billion dollars and increasing taxes by over $1. billion dollars on average people. Guess what Snyder did for a living before he became Governor in January? He was a businessman. Guess who the backbone of his political support is? Businessmen. Guess what occupation Snyder will go back to after he quits being governor. Businessman. And he gets to play on a whole new playing field that he was responsible to titling heavilly in his own direction and to his own advantage. Its disgusting.
    hmmm.... so the political backbone of Republicans are the people who create jobs in this country, keep the economy moving, and put themselves at risk.... whereas the political backbone of Democrats are parasitic public unions fanatically dedicated to keeping themselves from suffering along with the rest of the country.

    okay. i'll take that.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    In your failing effort to be clever , you seem to miss a great deal.

    On walker not revealing his plan to the voters... I said this in response to you who said voters should have asked during the campaign
    Obama famously ran for president castigating Bush for his deficit spending. Gave a speech on the Senate floor refusing to increase the debt ceiling.

    Then, of course, he ramped deficit spending up even more.

    Would you say he's a liar?

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