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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    He is falling in the polls and the polls say the people favor collective rights, so he really isn't listening to the people who elected him and he didn't run on removing collective bargaining rights. For that reason, I think he sort of just abusing his power now and doing what he thinks is best and right, not really what the people want. This will probably be his only term...
    Well, that's the difference between a weather vane and a leader.

    As a leader, Walker is doing the job he was elected to and the job he promised to do. Also, this is why American elections are for fixed terms, so the elected officials can focus on the job at hand.

    The unions hate Reagan unto perpetuity for his leadership in ending the PATCO nonsense. And Reagan won every single state in the union in 1984 except for that weird Minnesota place, which happened to be the embarassed home state of Mondale.

    Since Walker's re-election bid is four years down the road, transient polls in a hyped up fake crisis should not drive his policy setting agenda. Collective bargaining is bad for every state and Wisconsin will be better off when they're rid of it.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Bottom line, if the money isn't there then it isn't there. If there is no agreement to reduce salaries and benefits to bridge the gap, then the only thing left is lay offs... when, due to union contract clauses, layoffs will be forcefully determined only by seniority and not by merit.

    People can whine and stamp their feet all they want, but you cannot print money to pay your own personal bills and states cannot print money to pay theirs.
    California seems to manage somehow....for now.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Collective bargaining is bad for every state and Wisconsin will be better off when they're rid of it.
    A balanced state budget should be mandated by law. Unfortunately, politicians are loathe to self-constrain their powers of expenditure.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    A balanced state budget should be mandated by law. Unfortunately, politicians are loathe to self-constrain their powers of expenditure.
    Oh sooooo true.
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    I think the jobs are being held hostage now, the missing democrats have every right to walk out IMO, especially because the bill being passed seems to go against what the majority of Wisconsin voters are asking for. Maybe the issue is worth riding out the threat of 1,500 jobs lost, even if the layoffs are imminent and there are still contracts in place then some rules might need to be followed.

    Those contracts with the union employees should have plenty of layoff provisions, one example is there may be overtime rules that require work week(hour)reductions before any employee with 20+years seniority could be laid off. A well written contract should protect senior workers the most and surely the higher ups would rather break any contract with the workers and then layoff the higher paid old timers (rabble-rousers)and keep the younger workers at the lower wage rate. Another example of a contract requirement may be that any department laying off employees would be forced to reduce or eliminate any outside(non union)contractors that have been temporarily hired to work for that particular department.

    If layoffs do need to take place they should be done according to the rules both sides agreed to. As for union workers being lazy protected workers I would argue that management is at fault as much if not more than the unions for their inability to manage their employees at the workplace.

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    The below portion of this bill does not seem reasonable:

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    16.896 Sale or contractual operation of state−owned heating, cooling,and power plants. (1) Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may
    contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state. Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is
    considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    from Mayor Snorkum

    Walker is doing the job he was elected to and the job he promised to do.
    False. In many threads on this subject, Walker apologists have alleged this. When challenged to go back and produce campaign statements or campaign literature from Wlaker in which he promisedto take the radical steps he is now taking, nobody has been able to come up with them.
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

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    False. In many threads on this subject, Walker apologists have alleged this. When challenged to go back and produce campaign statements or campaign literature from Wlaker in which he promisedto take the radical steps he is now taking, nobody has been able to come up with them.
    Didn't he promise to do something about the debt? If so then this falls under that promise. Just because you think that its radical does not negate that fact.
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Didn't he promise to do something about the debt? If so then this falls under that promise. Just because you think that its radical does not negate that fact.
    Yeppers. Here's his Scott Walker for Governor website. He promised to do something about the debt big time. And for teachers, he promised this:

    The Qualified Economic Offer (QEO), which helped hold down local school costs for more than 15 years, will be restored and tied to revenue caps to align each district’s expenses with their revenues. Mediation and arbitration changes will also be needed to ensure that local economic factors are considered along with other common sense factors when arbitrating teacher contracts
    Here's the Qualified Economic Offer legislation:

    QUALIFIED ECONOMIC OFFER (QEO)
    The budget adjustment act (1997 Wisconsin Act 237), passed by the legislature and signed by Governor Tommy Thompson on June 2, 1998, [B]alters the basis for calculating the qualified economic offer (QEO) factor used statewide in negotiating local school district contracts. The new law mandates that the salary component of a QEO must be increased to reflect certain savings the district realizes on the fringe benefit component.[/BOLD] The change applies to proposed collective bargaining agreements with starting dates of July 1, 1999, or later. Prior to that date, the application of the savings is allowed, but not required.....
    The QEO was repealed under Democratic leadership. Walker clearly called for its reinstatement as shown in my first quote above.

    To get a clear understanding of what QEO changed, take a look at what the WEAC Union had to say about it: Repeal of the Qualified Economic Offer Law | 1997-1998 | At the Capitol News Archives | At the Capitol | News & Publications | Wisconsin Education Association Council

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Didn't he promise to do something about the debt? If so then this falls under that promise. Just because you think that its radical does not negate that fact.
    Please show where Walker promised to take the steps that he has taken in the last few weeks.
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Please show where Walker promised to take the steps that he has taken in the last few weeks.
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