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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I will await with baited breath the news stories you will no doubt be able to cite discussing Republicans fleeing Washington DC in order to stop Obamacare from becoming law.

    Fleeing is not always necessary - there is such things as Filibusters - staying up all night talking nonsense just to keep a bill from being voted on is similar.



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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    I'm sure if it had been Bush, in the same situation, he would have said, the hell with the middle class, "I'm the Decider" and gone ahead and let the middle class lose their tax cuts, just to prove a point.
    bush would have nixed the bush tax cuts, you're sure

    LOL!

    Huh?
    Congress Adjourns Until Elections, Punts on Tax Cuts and Spending

    I'll text him, right away!
    help yourself, but i don't know why you'd need to

    his answer was on tv

    Obama signs tax deal into law - CNN

    and he even left himself 13 days to spare

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    from Mayor Snorkum



    False. In many threads on this subject, Walker apologists have alleged this. When challenged to go back and produce campaign statements or campaign literature from Wlaker in which he promisedto take the radical steps he is now taking, nobody has been able to come up with them.
    Walker campaigned to restore fiscal solvency to the state of Wisconsin. Taking away the monopoly of power the labor unions have is an essential step towards solvency for any state dominated by unions. Making the state employees pay their fair share for their benefits is also essential, as are all moves towards moving public employee wages towards the mediand defined by the commercial free market.

    Did he promise to do specific acts, like "If you vote for me, I Promise, on Next Monday March 14th, to sing a bill restoring to state employees their freedom to choose union membership"? No.

    Can you name a Democrat that campaigned on specificity and name those who did who kept those promises? No, of course not, because politicians never do that. So your demand for specific evidentiary support re: Walker is specious and you know it.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    bush would have nixed the bush tax cuts, you're sure

    LOL!
    If the tax cuts for the rich weren't included? In a New York minute! As a matter of fact, didn't most of the Republicans in Congress vow not to pass the bill unless the rich were getting their's too? You're lagging.

    Reps in Congress Won't budge unless Tax Cuts for Rich are included



    Considering that the Reps vote lock-step - is it any wonder?


    help yourself, but i don't know why you'd need to

    his answer was on tv

    Obama signs tax deal into law - CNN

    and he even left himself 13 days to spare
    Obama made it clear why he was going ahead and extending them, but that isn't what he wanted. The Reps would have let us, the middle class go to hell in a hand-basked, they most nearly said it, so at least Obama was able to get some things they didn't want, like the unemployment extension, the DADT repeal, etc., etc., all the Reps were concerned about were the tax cuts for themselves!



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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    If the tax cuts for the rich weren't included?
    but they were

    included, that is

    As a matter of fact, didn't most of the Republicans in Congress vow not to pass the bill unless the rich were getting their's too?
    Obama Calls Tax Cuts the 'Right Thing to Do'

    At Obama's side, Clinton backs tax deal - Politics - White House - msnbc.com

    Considering that the Reps vote lock-step - is it any wonder?
    the party in power failed even to propose a budget for 2011

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/10...no-2010-budget

    Obama made it clear why he was going ahead and extending them, but that isn't what he wanted.
    our poor pathetic president

    he's always such a HOSTAGE

    at least Obama was able to get some things they didn't want
    he had 60 senators for a year, 59 for another, 255 reps

    all the Reps were concerned about were the tax cuts for themselves!
    no, tax cuts for ALL americans
    Last edited by The Prof; 03-16-11 at 08:20 PM.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    but they were

    included, that is
    Sure, it was a hostage deal.

    Hostages always say things they don't mean, they do things they wouldn't otherwise do to keep the rest of the hostages free from harm. That is what Obama had to do.

    "I've said before that I felt that the middle class tax cuts were being held hostage to the high end tax cuts. I think it's tempting not to negotiate with the hostage takers, unless the hostage gets harmed. Then people will question the wisdom of that strategy." Obama said at a press conference today, referring to Republicans' refusal to extend tax cuts for Americans unless it included all income brackets. "In this case, the hostage was the American people and I was not willing to see them get harmed."

    The president argued that tax cuts for the lower and middle class are crucial for job growth and boosting the economy in the short term, an assessment with which most economists agree.

    Tax Cut Deal: President Obama Compares Republicans to Hostage Takers - ABC News


    the party in power failed even to propose a budget for 2011

    Dems won
    And your point?

    From your link:

    The House has never failed to pass an annual budget resolution since the current budget rules were put into place in 1974. Hoyer this spring noted that the GOP-led Congress didnít pass a final resolution in 1998, 2004 and 2006.


    our poor pathetic president

    he's always such a HOSTAGE
    Only when it involves making the rich pay their share!



    he had 60 senators for a year, 59 for another, 255 reps
    It's a good thing or we would have been in deep kimchi! Look at all the great things they were able to get through! Things that benefit the regular folks, not just the millionaires/billionaires!

    no, tax cuts for ALL americans
    Yeah, even for those that are already getting all kinds of loopholes and entitlements. Now with they even get more with the Estate tax - thanks to Reps.

    Of the several objectionable provisions included in the tax compromise that congressional Republicans extorted from the Obama administration, none is more noxious than the one that all but guts the estate tax.

    Even the needless and unfair continuation of tax reductions for families making more than a quarter of a million dollars a year merely extends a benefit already enjoyed by affluent households. Estate tax cuts, by contrast, create a whole new windfall for those who already enjoy privileges and security undreamed of by the vast majority of Americans.

    And the rich get richer - Los Angeles Times



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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Sure, it was a hostage deal.
    president PATTY HEARST

    LOL!

    not much of a bumper sticker

    Hostages always say things they don't mean
    i know, it's the STOCKHOLM SYNDROME

    That is what Obama had to do.
    after two years, with 60 senators...

    this is what he HAD TO DO

    LOL!

    Only when it involves making the rich pay their share!
    but they didn't, they aren't, he CAVED

    Look at all the great things they were able to get through!
    most house seats since 1938! most state reps and leg's in history! 10 gubs! 6 senators!

    thanks to Reps.
    you're welcome

    but obama deserves his share of the CREDIT

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    president PATTY HEARST

    LOL!

    not much of a bumper sticker
    Better than your party, who didn't care if your taxes were raised -

    i know, it's the STOCKHOLM SYNDROME
    Shows your party is - "The Party of, and for the rich" - hope you're one of them, otherwise its like the chickens voting for "Colonel Sanders"! LOL!


    after two years, with 60 senators...

    this is what he HAD TO DO

    LOL!
    After claiming they want to reduce the deficit, this is what they defend? LOL!

    The deal makes no sense to me because over the last year, we have heard Republicans hammer home a theme that they would reduce the deficit and help rid us of democrats writing checks that our grandchildren will not be able to afford to pay.

    Read more: Obama and Senate Republicans reach tax deal- will House Democrats go along? - Your Doubting Thomas



    but they didn't, they aren't, he CAVED
    What do you mean they didn't - the Reps were willing to let everyone's tax cuts expire (including the chicken's) - if Obama didn't give in to their "PRIMARY" concern - the rich! Bwahahaha!



    most house seats since 1938! most state reps and leg's in history! 10 gubs! 6 senators!
    Hold on to that feeling, I have a feeling it isn't going to last! LOL!



    you're welcome
    That was sarcasm, sorry you missed it!

    but obama deserves his share of the CREDIT
    Yeah, he cared about us, unlike the Reps, whose main concern were the RICH!



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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    from the hill, above:

    House Democrats will not pass a budget blueprint in 2010, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) will confirm in a speech on Tuesday.

    But Hoyer will vow to crack down on government spending, saying Democrats will enforce spending limits that are lower than what President Barack Obama has called for.

    “It isn’t possible to debate and pass a realistic, long-term budget until we’ve considered the bipartisan commission’s deficit-reduction plan, which is expected in December,” according to Hoyer’s prepared remarks that were provided to The Hill.

    The House will put forth a “budget enforcement resolution” rather than a budget blueprint that looks beyond next year and calculates five or 10 years’ worth of deficit figures.

    The House’s “enforcement” — or deeming — resolution will endorse the goals of the president’s fiscal commission and reiterate the commitment to vote on its recommendations after the midterm elections.

    It’s also the issue that’s destroying what’s left of the Democrats’ jobs agenda as centrist Democrats have balked at the price tag of such measures.

    For weeks, Democratic leaders have tried to strike a deal on the budget, which is a non-binding resolution, but to no avail. The talks triggered splits in the Democratic Caucus, alienating conservative Democrats from their liberal colleagues.

    At a minimum, the House will not extend the tax cuts benefiting taxpayers of incomes above $250,000 despite some suggestions in the Senate that they be extended along with all other Bush tax cuts.”

    But much of where Hoyer believes the real deficit debate should start is with the bipartisan fiscal commission.
    we're not gonna propose a budget, we're gonna wait for bowles-simpson

    LOL!

    we're not gonna extend the bush/obama/clinton/boehner/mcconnell tax cuts for the rich, we're gonna COMMIT to VOTE on the debt commission's recommendations instead

    LOL!

    leadership patty hearst can believe in

    actually, we CAN'T do the outyear projections, OUR OWN CAUCUS won't come along

    so we'll just DEEM the damn thing

    cuz we're HOSTAGES

    obama's doa budget proposal released a month ago RAISES the defict a brazen THIRTY PERCENT

    White House Expects Federal Deficit to Spike to $1.65 Trillion - WSJ.com

    no wonder the party took such a shellacking on tsunami tuesday

    party on, progressives

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    from the hill, above:
    we're not gonna propose a budget, we're gonna wait for bowles-simpson
    LOL!
    we're not gonna extend the bush/obama/clinton/boehner/mcconnell tax cuts for the rich, we're gonna COMMIT to VOTE on the debt commission's recommendations instead
    LOL!
    leadership patty hearst can believe in
    actually, we CAN'T do the outyear projections, OUR OWN CAUCUS won't come along
    so we'll just DEEM the damn thing
    cuz we're HOSTAGES

    obama's doa budget proposal released a month ago RAISES the defict a brazen THIRTY PERCENT

    White House Expects Federal Deficit to Spike to $1.65 Trillion - WSJ.com

    no wonder the party took such a shellacking on tsunami tuesday

    party on, progressives
    Who gives a rat's ass about the economy, unemployment, health care.....

    The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president,' says the Senate Republican leader.
    Mitch McConnell's remarks on 2012 draw White House ire - Los Angeles Times


    We don't care that the majority of Republicans are middle-class, we only care about the uber wealthy and we are going to make sure they get what they deserve.......


    Sen. Mitch McConnell sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid signed by all 42 Senate Republicans saying the GOP would oppose any legislative items during the lame-duck session that were brought to the floor until the Bush tax cuts and funding the government were debated.
    Senate GOP vow to block everything during lame duck if priorities are not met - Los Angeles Democrat | Examiner.com



    We don't give a damn if we promised Tea Partiers we would fight any legislation that adds to the deficit.................

    Top Senate Republican Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) insisted on Sunday that Congress should extend the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans regardless of their impact on the deficit, even as he and other Republicans are blocking unemployment insurance extensions over deficit concerns.
    Jon Kyl: Extend Bush Tax Cuts For Wealthy Even If They Add To Deficit



    Last edited by mertex; 03-19-11 at 02:02 AM.



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