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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    uh oh, more union busting, another big win for the class warfare crowd

    Massachusetts mayors are warning state lawmakers that without dramatic changes to the way municipalities provide health care to their public workers, cities and towns will face dire fiscal straits for the foreseeable future, threatening core local services from police to road repairs. The mayors issued their warning during a Statehouse hearing on a series of proposals on ways to overhaul insurance coverage for municipal employees.

    Boston Mayor Thomas Menino said the state's largest city is already grappling with the effects of skyrocketing health care costs. He said in the past decade those costs have soared by 142 percent while all other spending grew by 27 percent. For every dollar the city spends on health insurance, Menino said, it spends just a nickel on snow removal and community centers. "The status quo is a stampede of increasing costs that will break cities and towns," he said. "If we do nothing ... Boston will continue to spend more on health care than on the entire police department."

    Menino wasn't alone. New Bedford Mayor Scott Lang said his city is also looking at ongoing cuts to services unless mayors and town administrators are given more control over health care plans for their workers.

    Lang said a proposal unveiled on Monday by a coalition of unions representing public workers was a start, but didn't "scratch the surface" of the kind of overhaul needed to get spending under control. Union officials said their plan would save an estimated $120 million in the first year, while preserving collective bargaining rights. Lang, who supports a proposal by the Massachusetts Municipal Association that would strengthen the hands of city and town leaders over health care plans for workers, said the goal should be to develop a way to provide quality health care plans that are also affordable. "Otherwise, in order to pay for the health care plans you are going to be laying off the very employees that the unions represent," Lang said.
    MA Mayors and Unions Debate Costs

    it's just that beastly bottom line, it's ubiquitous

    why, it's in THE BAY STATE
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    The president stressed his displeasure with several aspects of the agreement, especially the extended tax cuts for the highest earners and the 35 percent rate for the estate tax.
    why, the poor thing

    i guess hostage presidents aren't really responsible

    I guess it would be fair to add that if Obama hadn't agreed to the tax cuts for the wealthy, the middle class would have paid the price by losing theirs
    and it would be fair to add that the president PUNTED this central relationship between every american and his or her internal revenue service for two years, until his lame duck quacked it a couple days before new years eve

    Why is it that one party always takes the side of the wealthy and the corporations over the middle-class, the ones that make corporations and wealthy people wealthy.
    ask obama

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    You go ahead and run with this

    He is doing what he was elected to do...you know...
    Exactly!! People seem to forget this.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and who makes the actual products?
    when the business is a guy out of his living room?

    the chinese

    Your world - a world where you attempt to intellectually justify the absence of workers - is a nightmare and an abomination.
    i'm not trying to intellectually justify the absence of workers; i'm just saying that their presence is an addition, it is a result of the owner of the business' action; not the other way 'round.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Exactly....and Walker is losing the war in the public arena. I would expect that Republicans are trying to figure out how to save face while finding a way out of the mess. Every day that this goes on, it is a victory for the people of the state of Wisconsin against a corrupt government that is seeking to silence the voice of the people.
    care to make a li'l wager on who wins this fight? I'll bet you a weeks' sig line that union collective bargaining contracts get restricted.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Call it whatever you want, it is a fact that Republicans have done whatever it takes to derail legislation they are not in favor of.
    I will await with baited breath the news stories you will no doubt be able to cite discussing Republicans fleeing Washington DC in order to stop Obamacare from becoming law.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    care to make a li'l wager on who wins this fight? I'll bet you a weeks' sig line that union collective bargaining contracts get restricted.
    I think there will definitely be some restrictions...but Walker has lost the war to eliminate the voice of the workers....its now just a matter of how much egg he is going to end up with on his face.
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    I'm surprised no one's arguments on behalf of the unions centered on one key piece of this proposed legislation. I personally missed it; perhaps others on the pro-union side did as well.

    Walker's legislation included recertification of the unions every year with a majority of the membership having to vote for the union in order for it to continue. (That as compared to a majority of votes cast.) I knew that it included that recertification, but didn't understand until this morning the implications of requiring a majority of the membership to recertify. Whole new ballgame. I caught it only after reading that some are suggesting that emails going back and forth have compromised on this point (among others).

    After learning of this one leg of the bill, I have to now agree that Walker's final intent was to have the opportunity to abolish teachers' unions. I am very surprised that I didn't see that argument posted here on DP. I don't think I could have defended that bit of legislation had I known about it.

    As for restricting some of their bargaining rights, I still support that wholeheartedly....but I have to agree with what others have said -- that Walker is going to compromise even on those.
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm surprised no one's arguments on behalf of the unions centered on one key piece of this proposed legislation. I personally missed it; perhaps others on the pro-union side did as well.

    Walker's legislation included recertification of the unions every year with a majority of the membership having to vote for the union in order for it to continue. (That as compared to a majority of votes cast.) I knew that it included that recertification, but didn't understand until this morning the implications of requiring a majority of the membership to recertify. Whole new ballgame. I caught it only after reading that some are suggesting that emails going back and forth have compromised on this point (among others).

    After learning of this one leg of the bill, I have to now agree that Walker's final intent was to have the opportunity to abolish teachers' unions. I am very surprised that I didn't see that argument posted here on DP. I don't think I could have defended that bit of legislation had I known about it.

    As for restricting some of their bargaining rights, I still support that wholeheartedly....but I have to agree with what others have said -- that Walker is going to compromise even on those.
    just over at CNN.COM reading about the situation...seems that walker is starting to soften his stance a bit...the pressure is on him from republican senators who are the target of a recall....yeah, like i've been saying, he is out to union bust...your right though, i didnt think to mention that one....hopefully they get something worked out shortly....the whole 're-certify' thing walker is going to have to drop, that is really none of his business.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Really? I guess that's why the majority of people in Wisconsin are siding with the unions, right, because they are rejecting the unions!

    New Polls show Wisconsin Voters support Protestors

    Most Americans Side With Unions


    Rasmussen's Unfair Method to Influence Pollsters against Unions

    Man, you are going to have to do way better than that. Your first story does little more than link an opinion piece from HuffPost, and the two DailyBeast stories use the NYtimes as their sources, all of which do not link to the actual polls themselves let alone the internals of those polls.

    So what you are really saying is that since your liberal outlets say it's so, then it must be....Sorry. I don't buy it for a second.


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