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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    See, this is why liberal union lackeys will never get it. I am "Joe Sixpack" Randel, and I loath the unions and what they do to not only our government by subverting the system corruptly, but in what they do to the businesses that provide the living I and others strive to give our families. They systematically break the back of whom ever they are organizing against through wanting ever more than the market will bear. Then when called on it, they, you, use disingenuous language pre supposing that you speak for me, and others that aren't union supporters as if you had more than a mere 12% in union membership.

    Tax breaks entice, and draw business to communities, and keep the cost of goods and services low so that people can afford them, and jobs are created. But I wouldn't expect the selfish, corrupt, childish liberal union member to understand anything that wasn't precluded with me, me, me.....


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    please explain how they subvert the system? also, please explain how giving tax breaks keeps prices low...also j, you support big business, and that is fine, i've no problem with that, but answer me this...the execs of these companies all have, now say it with me now, CONTRACTS, and these CONTRACTS spell out exactly how much pay, and what benefits they can expect from their employer...these execs negoitate these CONTRACTS with these employers...and these businesses have CONTRACTS with other businesses stating how much they will purchase/ or produce of a product over a set amount of time, and what they will pay for goods/services.... everyone wants to know exactly what they can expect...so.....what is it you have against a group of people banding together to negoitate a CONTRACT with their employer? what is your problem with the average worker knowing what pay/benefits they can expect from their employer in return for their labor? why is it your ok with the businesses having CONTRACTS with their execs and other businesses for whom they manufacture goods or purchase goods from, but you freak out when a group of workers wants a contract with their employer?

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    please explain how they subvert the system?
    I have laid it out many times....you need to keep up or just read. Unions, in the Public sector give money to elect the people that they will sit across from during the negotiation. that is a subversion of the system.

    also, please explain how giving tax breaks keeps prices low...also j,
    Tax breaks give incentive to business to come to an area. Providing jobs, and a vibrant economy. This is really 101 stuff.

    you support big business, and that is fine, i've no problem with that, but answer me this...the execs of these companies all have, now say it with me now, CONTRACTS, and these CONTRACTS spell out exactly how much pay, and what benefits they can expect from their employer...these execs negoitate these CONTRACTS with these employers...and these businesses have CONTRACTS with other businesses stating how much they will purchase/ or produce of a product over a set amount of time, and what they will pay for goods/services.... everyone wants to know exactly what they can expect...so.....what is it you have against a group of people banding together to negoitate a CONTRACT with their employer? what is your problem with the average worker knowing what pay/benefits they can expect from their employer in return for their labor? why is it your ok with the businesses having CONTRACTS with their execs and other businesses for whom they manufacture goods or purchase goods from, but you freak out when a group of workers wants a contract with their employer?

    You could say that even in a non union shop when I get hired to do a job, I have a 'contract' with that employer to be paid a certain amount for my services. But that is different than unions.....Let me ask you randel....Do you consider yourself an average worker, or an above average worker?


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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I have laid it out many times....you need to keep up or just read. Unions, in the Public sector give money to elect the people that they will sit across from during the negotiation. that is a subversion of the system.



    Tax breaks give incentive to business to come to an area. Providing jobs, and a vibrant economy. This is really 101 stuff.




    You could say that even in a non union shop when I get hired to do a job, I have a 'contract' with that employer to be paid a certain amount for my services. But that is different than unions.....Let me ask you randel....Do you consider yourself an average worker, or an above average worker?


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    so the pacs formed by corporations that contribute to candidates also subvert the system, right?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    so the pacs formed by corporations that contribute to candidates also subvert the system, right?

    Depends, do you have a choice to contribute to PAC's, or are you forced to when you get a job?


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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    if he is really interested in balancing his budget, he will drop the union busting shenanigans and sit down and hammer out a deal
    if he wants to fix this year's budget. he might do that. if he wants to put the state on a sound fiscal footing for the future then he will not. fixing a temporary gap without fixing the condition that causes it to occur is like treating gangrene with perfume.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    "if he wants to put the state on a sound fiscal footing for the future then he will not"

    Thank you. My thought precisely.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    so the pacs formed by corporations that contribute to candidates also subvert the system, right?
    yes. the difference being largely

    1. one of quantity, public sector unions are THE big players in the political donation world
    2. one of quality, public sector unions can have a very narrow focus to succeed; corporations have to be a bit more wide-spread, and often have to find ways to purchase regulators on top of politicians.
    3. one of timing, public sector unions as an interest group are currently far more powerful than (say) the chamber of commerce. (plus the chamber won't come threaten you in your home.)

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    they couldn't.


    but Republicans DON'T.

    In Illinois, for example, the Democratic Congress and Governor committed what the Republians thought was state suicide by hiking tax rates to combat falling revenues in the middle of a depression. Republicans argued and shouted and promised that the result would be nothing but pain....

    ....but they stayed and voted. that's called "representative government".

    Call it whatever you want, it is a fact that Republicans have done whatever it takes to derail legislation they are not in favor of.

    Gov Walker seems to be trying to give himself absolute power over public servants in his state. He has given his cronies (corps) a free-ride on taxes, then he guts the life out of the middle class to pay for it. The people of Wisconsin are on the side of unions, and he is wrong in refusing to negotiate, the 14 Democrats are on the side of the people and they are right in doing whatever it takes to force Walker to come to an agreement instead of insisting on his way, which will hurt many of the people in Wisconsin.

    Recent polls are showing that the majority in Wisconsin are on the side of unions in spite of attempts by some groups to sway the vote against unions by asking leading questions that would bias their opinion. It's about what the people want, not just what a governor and his party want.



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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well let's hope so.

    because the problem is public unions.
    That's your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it, however, the majority of people of Wisconsin don't agree with you, and it is their state, and their jobs that they are fighting for.



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