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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Simple, it is those supposed concessions that have so far only been talked about, nothing has been put to paper, and in the end probably wouldn't be. It is a tactic. Secondly, it is the CB that pushed this situation to where it is today. You tell me, why should unions who give money to politicians for election be able to sit across from them to bargain their contracts? Tell me why one of the liberal, progressive heros, FDR hated PS unionization?


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    so you are saying that unions shoulder the entire blame for wisconsin's situation? what about those tax breaks for big business? the concessions the governor wants, and would get if he honestly were only interested in the budget, amount to only around 10% of the budget shortfall.....what about that other 90 or so % j? or is that the fault of the unions as well?

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

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    This is disgusting, playing with people livelihoods for what amounts to little more than political points, the Democrats should just do the job they're paid for and stop acting like 3 year olds.
    They are, they're supporting the unions.
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    so you are saying that unions shoulder the entire blame for wisconsin's situation?
    No, I didn't say that did I? Let's keep it honest here shall we?


    what about those tax breaks for big business?
    Ah yes, Big bad business....Tell me Randy, when business leaves the state looking for better states to do business in, what good do the workers for those companies think that higher taxes got them? Ask Boeing in the Seattle area....We in SC thank the state of WA for letting us have that company.


    the concessions the governor wants, and would get if he honestly were only interested in the budget, amount to only around 10% of the budget shortfall.....what about that other 90 or so % j? or is that the fault of the unions as well?

    No, which is why I suspect he left in CB for wages. It is about unfunded liabilities that will bankrupt the state. Putting it off until another poison pill can be injected is insane. Fix the problem and that means you can't get back what is a problem now.


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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, I didn't say that did I? Let's keep it honest here shall we?




    Ah yes, Big bad business....Tell me Randy, when business leaves the state looking for better states to do business in, what good do the workers for those companies think that higher taxes got them? Ask Boeing in the Seattle area....We in SC thank the state of WA for letting us have that company.





    No, which is why I suspect he left in CB for wages. It is about unfunded liabilities that will bankrupt the state. Putting it off until another poison pill can be injected is insane. Fix the problem and that means you can't get back what is a problem now.


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    he could work to 'fix' what he percieves to be problems by sitting down at the bargaining table and negotiating....he is playing political games, and trying to union bust....

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    he could work to 'fix' what he percieves to be problems by sitting down at the bargaining table and negotiating....he is playing political games, and trying to union bust....
    Not at all. In fact he is indeed trying to fix what he perceives as broken in the system, and that is the unfunded liabilities caused by unrealistic union pensions negotiated through a dishonest process of cronyism in the past that can not continue. Unions are mad that the gravy train is ending, but end it will.


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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not at all. In fact he is indeed trying to fix what he perceives as broken in the system, and that is the unfunded liabilities caused by unrealistic union pensions negotiated through a dishonest process of cronyism in the past that can not continue. Unions are mad that the gravy train is ending, but end it will.


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    funny how current polls show that by a magin of 2-1, his constituents think he should compromise....one term governor here we come!! no, if he were serious about fixing his budget, this would have been over before it started, as soon as the unions said they would make concessions, he should have been at the bargaining table, hammering out the terms......he is putting his anti-union agenda ahead of the will of the wisconsin electorate.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    so you are saying that unions shoulder the entire blame for wisconsin's situation? what about those tax breaks for big business? the concessions the governor wants, and would get if he honestly were only interested in the budget, amount to only around 10% of the budget shortfall.....what about that other 90 or so % j? or is that the fault of the unions as well?
    He is trying to get control of an out-of-control system. He wants taxpayers to vote on any increase teachers get that's over and above the CPI. That's what this is about. The unions don't want the taxpayers to have a voice. What????

    Tell me. What is the problem with taxpayers having a voice in how their money's being spent?
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    funny how current polls show that by a magin of 2-1, his constituents think he should compromise....one term governor here we come!! no, if he were serious about fixing his budget, this would have been over before it started, as soon as the unions said they would make concessions, he should have been at the bargaining table, hammering out the terms......he is putting his anti-union agenda ahead of the will of the wisconsin electorate.

    On polls, it's funny how you libs like to use polls when they push the results you want to show, but in any other case you question the polls ability to accurately measure anything. For example, what polls? What questions were asked? How were the people chosen to participate? etc.

    As far as Walker's "anti-Union" agenda, I would think you'd be smarter than that. If he truly had anti Union goals, then why allow CB to remain in any aspect? No, this is about the budget, and you know it. The childish thing here is how these PS Unions are acting when it comes to the sacrifice they know they have to give up....In the end it is about them, NOT the children.


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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There are plenty of right to work states. Instead of hollering the ole "doomsday" scenario how about you back up your assertions. Find even one such thing happening in any of the right to work states.
    Doomsday scenarios are the only sure way to get attention and trigger response, just like what you and I did.

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