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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jzyehoshua View Post
    Well, for example, the auto industry had the best health care benefits of any industry, and workers went on strike to protect their benefits from being slashed. Then their companies were forced into bankruptcy. Unions can prove detrimental at times.
    My Tom has watched two companies fold - caused, in part, because the membersehip wouldn't agree to wage concessions. Their unions thought they wouldn't have to. One, I remember, was a rollback to $17/hour from $20. After he saw it happen to the first company, he tried to tell members at the next company they needed to give something back, to no avail. The union was encouraging workers to refuse. That plant closed as well. The second one was OMC in Waukegan, IL; don't remember the name of the first one.
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

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    Sorry, "the other guy does it too" didn't work with my kids, and won't work here. But glad to see you agree that the offer of consessions is an empty promise by the Unions.


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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    My Tom has watched two companies fold - caused, in part, because the membersehip wouldn't agree to wage concessions. Their unions thought they wouldn't have to. One, I remember, was a rollback to $17/hour from $20. After he saw it happen to the first company, he tried to tell members at the next company they needed to give something back, to no avail. The union was encouraging workers to refuse. That plant closed as well. The second one was OMC in Waukegan, IL; don't remember the name of the first one.
    like a banker inveseting other people's money; hey, it's not like the union leadership suffers if the bet goes bad.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    All of the bright, energetic, buzzcut, conservative CEO's in the world cannot make a product without the workers.
    sure they can. more than one successful business has started with a guy and an idea working out of his living room.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Ironically, she actually has a degree in Criminology...

    pssst... she's also engaged

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Can you share with us what you mean by the above. The state has to close a budget gap. Workers will either need to take a pay cut by paying more for their benefits or they keep the benefits and have fellow co-workers laid off.
    What I mean is that they can deal with this budget gap without taking away collective bargaining. If the Governor wasn't trying to eviscerate the unions, the Democrats would be there to vote on some reasonable give backs.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    What I mean is that they can deal with this budget gap without taking away collective bargaining. If the Governor wasn't trying to eviscerate the unions, the Democrats would be there to vote on some reasonable give backs.
    By leaving the collective bargaining in place you open up the possibility that sometime in the future...possibly in just a couple of years the unions would be demanding higher wages again. Which just puts WI right back to where they were/are now. Which means debt. Which means hardships.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How sweet it is...... as the Great One used to say.
    a fundraising email...

    and a rasmussen poll...

    LOL!

    it looks like the michael moores in madison really got us on the run

    where's cuomo

    where's obama

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    sure they can. more than one successful business has started with a guy and an idea working out of his living room.
    You seem to be missing the point. Name one company that is notably profitable (or sizeable) thats only workers are its owners. Sure, some may have started that way, but they never stayed that way.
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    By leaving the collective bargaining in place you open up the possibility that sometime in the future...possibly in just a couple of years the unions would be demanding higher wages again. Which just puts WI right back to where they were/are now. Which means debt. Which means hardships.

    Gotta look at the long term and not the short term.
    So the no-bid contract opportunities for Koch Brother owned companies and massive tax breaks for large businesses need to be in place? What do you think those are costing them (or in the case of the no-bid contract, what it's going to cost them)?
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