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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Did you even read what I wrote? He's not dismantling unions. He's asking that they have their bargaining rights changed...and with those changes, they will still have greater bargaining power than every single Federal worker in the USA. That's not dismantling. That's curtailing. That's putting a little more power back into the hands of the taxpayers. Right now, it's whacked.

    As to Governor Walker's tactics, I expect a compromise. My common sense tells me it's being discussed as we speak.
    Again, I call BS. This bill could strip the Union of almost ALL of their bargaining rights.
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This isn't about the budget. The unions had already agreed to cuts. This is about busting the unions, so that a teacher can be fired without cause, without a hearing, by an administrator, who just might not happen to like that particular teacher, or that teacher's political viewpoints.

    In every era in our history, it has always been about finding a new boogeyman to demonize. This time it is Union workers.
    Republicans will do or say anything, truth be damned, to win elections. Taking away the union support for Democrats, is just another political ploy, or as Perot once said, political dirty tricks.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This isn't about the budget. The unions had already agreed to cuts. This is about busting the unions, so that a teacher can be fired without cause, without a hearing, by an administrator, who just might not happen to like that particular teacher, or that teacher's political viewpoints.

    In every era in our history, it has always been about finding a new boogeyman to demonize. This time it is the Irish the Chinese Italians African Americans Union workers.
    There are plenty of right to work states. Instead of hollering the ole "doomsday" scenario how about you back up your assertions. Find even one such thing happening in any of the right to work states.
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    BS right back atcha. The headline says that -- and there is nothing at all in the article to support it.

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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Please tell me why an entity that has no scenerio of bankrupting their employer, while holding great influence with the political persons that will sit across the barganing table from them through campaign contributions soley taken from their membership should be allowed to exist in the first place? It's a rigged game, and further this total Bull about the Union agreeing to consessions without giving up the collective barganing part of the bill, is really NO consession at all. Thier stranglehold on the society as a whole needs to be broken. Let them live under the same rules as I do.


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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Isn't it telling that Unions and the Democrat 14 would rather see people get a pink slip than to do something that could save their jobs?

    This happens all the time and wrong every time.
    You're kidding right? Do you think the Dems coming home are going to save the jobs? Wisconsin intends to do layoffs anyway. This is white noise. Trying to turn the inevitable into a controllable threat is silliness. Its a little like taking hostages in a hospice: "Pay up or the old guy gets it"

    If this Walker was serious about the Wisconsin budget, there would be a negotiation. But he is not and there isn't.
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You're kidding right? Do you think the Dems coming home are going to save the jobs? Wisconsin intends to do layoffs anyway. This is white noise. Trying to turn the inevitable into a controllable threat is silliness. Its a little like taking hostages in a hospice: "Pay up or the old guy gets it"

    If this Walker was serious about the Wisconsin budget, there would be a negotiation. But he is not and there isn't.

    Can you even have an honest negotiation when one side in that negotiation can undo what has been agreed to through collective barganing later? I don't think so.


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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You're kidding right? Do you think the Dems coming home are going to save the jobs? Wisconsin intends to do layoffs anyway. This is white noise. Trying to turn the inevitable into a controllable threat is silliness. Its a little like taking hostages in a hospice: "Pay up or the old guy gets it"

    If this Walker was serious about the Wisconsin budget, there would be a negotiation. But he is not and there isn't.
    I haven't heard anything about any layoffs except for this one instance, and that is because the Dems won't get back to WI to pass a budget bill. Do you have any proof for your claim? (part in bold)
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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Can you even have an honest negotiation when one side in that negotiation can undo what has been agreed to through collective barganing later? I don't think so.


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    Re: Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    what does that even mean in practical, real life terms?
    Which part don't you understand? Honest barganing? or the ability to undo what they promise today?


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