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Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

QUOTE Conservative;

Stimulating the economy is one thing, generating these type results is another.
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The results speak for themselves; we are on the road to recovery. Instead the arrow pointing down like it was before the presidential election, it is now pointing up.

You seem to think that generting these kind of results is a success
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It is a success considering the alternative.


ove it when you show ignorance calling it the Bush depression as it is nothing more than attempts at baiting.
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Nah, it wasn't the bush depression.It was the bush recession as you pointed out.:2wave:
 
donc said:
I’m still pissed at Clinton for signing NAFTA now Obama has reaffirmed it. Bonehead move imo.
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And I pissed at the republican congress that went along with it......... but there is a fix... and I'm sure most liberals would get behind this, those companies that used nafta to move their plants to save on labor costs, just tax the hell out of their imports back into the states.
 
The Barbarian said:
And I pissed at the republican congress that went along with it......... but there is a fix... and I'm sure most liberals would get behind this, those companies that used nafta to move their plants to save on labor costs, just tax the hell out of their imports back into the states.
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Sounds like a plan to me. :2wave:
 
donc said:
The results speak for themselves; we are on the road to recovery. Instead the arrow pointing down like it was before the presidential election, it is now pointing up.



It is a success considering the alternative.




Nah, it wasn't the bush depression.It was the bush recession as you pointed out.:2wave:
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There is quite a difference between a recession and a depression which apparently you don't understand. Bush was in office when the recession started in December 2007 with the Democrats in control of Congress. You really need to set your standards higher with Democrat results. 2 million fewer people employed, 3.5 trillion added to the debt, and 2.8% GDP growth isn't what most people will call a success.

You want so badly to give Obama credit which apparently means you have the same ideology as he does. that makes you the exact oppositie of the Founders and most in this Center-Right country. Obama has done more harm to this country than anything Bush ever did and the results are quite telling. Bush added 6.5 million jobs during two recessions and with 9/11. Added 4.6 trillion to the debt in 8 years which Obama will pass in 3, and generated 4.5 trillion GDP growth.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I wasn't disputing your claim about the CBO, nor was I comparing the costs of Bush's program to the costs of healthcare reform. I pointing out the hypocrisy in your opinion that only liberals cite the CBO when it supports their conclusions and agenda, when in reality both sides have been guilty of doing so.
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agreed with 100% whoever is in charge of the government at the time uses the CBO to push their agenda, the CBO's projections are nothing more then the party in charge projections
 
The Barbarian said:
And I pissed at the republican congress that went along with it......... but there is a fix... and I'm sure most liberals would get behind this, those companies that used nafta to move their plants to save on labor costs, just tax the hell out of their imports back into the states.
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Tariffs increase costs on the general public and are essentially another tax. Let the free market decide who's goods are better. If American workers provide better service than Canadian workers, they'll come here.
Japanese cars are so much better than American ones for their cost. Without tariffs, costs for consumers would drastically go down.
 
donc said:
The results speak for themselves; we are on the road to recovery.
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yup

housing is buckled, no shore up in sight

revenues from property taxes are miniscule

fannie and fred are looking at a half T

the muni markets are necessarily downgraded

public pensions at the state level alone are 2.5T under

medicaid is unmanageable---NOW

interest on the national debt is soon to approach 1T per

oil is exploding, food prices are becoming an international crisis

obamacare raises three quarters of a T in new "revenues," says cbo

the gao last week reported a full half T of taxpayer money just VANISHED, "most of it in the last 2 years"

the fed has obligated 2.7T of public trust in UNDIVERSIFIED junk

and we produce a jobs report that for the first time in months manages to keep up with population growth---with a few thousand to spare!

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The Prof said:
yup

housing is buckled, no shore up in sight

revenues from property taxes are miniscule

fannie and fred are looking at a half T

the muni markets are necessarily downgraded

public pensions at the state level alone are 2.5T under

medicaid is unmanageable---NOW

interest on the national debt is soon to approach 1T per

oil is exploding, food prices are becoming an international crisis

obamacare raises three quarters of a T in new "revenues," says cbo

the gao last week reported a full half T of taxpayer money just VANISHED, "most of it in the last 2 years"

the fed has obligated 2.7T of public trust in UNDIVERSIFIED junk

and we produce a jobs report that for the first time in months manages to keep up with population growth---with a few thousand to spare!

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But Donc says we are on the road to recovery. Remember it is only money and what are trillions along with waste and missing taxdollars among friends?
 
Conservative said:
I was always taught that when someone was making a complete ass of themselves just get out of the way and let them. You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you and you know where. I have posted the actual unemployment and employment numbers from BLS.gov so many times and yet they still get ignored. Instead you prefer some sites that ignore the facts. The fact remains that 1 million discouraged workers were dropped from the unemployment roles in February because they gave up looking for work. What happens when you drop 1000000 from the roles divided by the labor force? The unemployment rate drops. Now tell me where those discouraged workers show up on any graph? do you think discouraged workers are employed or unemployed?

What I find extremely interesting is how liberals continue to try and destroy Reagan over 20 years after he left office. Why do you have such a problem keeping more of what you earn? Why do you care so much how much someone else makes or pays in taxes? More importantly why do you buy everything the left tells you and never verify the rhetoric by getting it from non partisan sites?

Obama did not inherit what he helped create unless you think we elect a King who bypasses the Congress on every issue. Democrats controlled Congress from 2007-2011 and the results are there for all to see but you and others choose to ignore them. The question is why?
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Pardon me, Truth Detector...but weren't you banned?
 
Lerxst said:
Pardon me, Truth Detector...but weren't you banned?
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Looks like just another subject you know nothing about. Who is Truth Detector? Maybe you ought to check with the Mods. I don't know who Truth Detector is but if that poster made a similar post to mine, great, I love it.
 
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iamitter said:
Tariffs increase costs on the general public and are essentially another tax. Let the free market decide who's goods are better. If American workers provide better service than Canadian workers, they'll come here.
Japanese cars are so much better than American ones for their cost. Without tariffs, costs for consumers would drastically go down.
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I think you misunderstood .... I was talking of only those companies that have moved their factories out of the US to take advantage of cheaper labor..... . then turn right back around and import the same products back ...
 
The President has done a good job with the economic policies, the OP is evidence of that. I, for one, am grateful.
 
The Barbarian said:
I think you misunderstood .... I was talking of only those companies that have moved their factories out of the US to take advantage of cheaper labor..... . then turn right back around and import the same products back ...
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No, I understood you perfectly fine. If the US workers who lost their jobs because of that have any talent or skill, they'll find another job. If someone's willing to do their job for less, why should the US govt put a tariff on those goods? They won't bring the jobs back and they drive prices up for consumers.
 
The Barbarian said:
I think you misunderstood .... I was talking of only those companies that have moved their factories out of the US to take advantage of cheaper labor..... . then turn right back around and import the same products back ...
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iamitter said:
No, I understood you perfectly fine. If the US workers who lost their jobs because of that have any talent or skill, they'll find another job. If someone's willing to do their job for less, why should the US govt put a tariff on those goods? They won't bring the jobs back and they drive prices up for consumers.
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I am afraid I am coming down on the side of Barbarian on this one my friend, and that can't be a good thing, can it? (Just kidding Barb)

If a corporation move's jobs to a country where they take advantage of subpar wages and benefits, while leaving equally skilled workers here unemployed with few remaining manufacturing options for jobs, why should the corporations than be allowed to ship the very same products back into the US, pocketing the savings at the cost of US jobs?

Perhaps I am missing something here that you can help me with.
 
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Catawba said:
I am afraid I am coming down on the side of Barbarian on this one my friend, and that can't be a good thing, can it? (Just kidding Barb)

If a corporation move's jobs to a country where he takes advantage of subpar wages and benefits, while leaving equally skilled workers here unemployed with few remaining manufacturing options for jobs, why should the corporations than be allowed to ship the very same products back into the US, pocketing the savings at the cost of US jobs?

Perhaps I am missing something here that you can help me with.
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Nope, I'm a cold, heartless bastard in that respect.
They should be allowed because they don't pocket the savings - at least not all of them. Costs go down for consumers all over the nation. Easiest way to see this is early to mid 1800's when we had huge tariff debates that were basically like tax debates now.

If someone loses their job because someone else can do it for less, tough. They should get more education or find another way to make themselves be more employable - I have no sympathy for grunt labor. No one is born entitled to a job just because.
 
Catawba said:
I am afraid I am coming down on the side of Barbarian on this one my friend, and that can't be a good thing, can it? (Just kidding Barb)

If a corporation move's jobs to a country where they take advantage of subpar wages and benefits, while leaving equally skilled workers here unemployed with few remaining manufacturing options for jobs, why should the corporations than be allowed to ship the very same products back into the US, pocketing the savings at the cost of US jobs?

Perhaps I am missing something here that you can help me with.
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Very good point, Catawba. However, there's one flaw in your logic (although I on the surface of it, I agree with you) and that is "made in China, distributed in the USA" by USA Corporation, LLC. (replace name for any US company that manufactures products abroad). If I recall how import/export workds, tarrifs are intended for products made abroad by foreign owned companies. U.S. companies that happen to produce products abroad even via subcontracts with foreign manufacturers (see Walmart) are exempt. But I agree with you in principle; if a U.S. company moves his production overseas, perhaps it should pay a tarrif though not at the higher rate of its foreign manufacturing counterpart. We the Obama Administration recommends by way of changing the tax code (corporate tax, I assume) is to reduce the tax liability on corporations who move their business back to the U.S. On the surface, it makes sense. However, after giving it some thought recently, I don't think that alone will lure U.S. companies back stateside. You have to provide not only a winning scenario for them to return but in the words of the Godfather, "give them an offer they can't refuse"...atleast not so easily.

You see, if a U.S. company is profitable even with setting up shop abroad, they really don't have much of an incentive to return especially when competing with cheap labor. The only reason, I think, we allow U.S. companies to leave is because in most cases we're getting back those goods American's love - flat screen TVs, DVD-R players, iPads, iPhones, Xbox...you name it, we love it! But if a tarrif was affixed to products made abroad by a U.S. company, suddenly they're forced to rethink leaving in the first place. IMO, it's the price U.S. manufacturers pay for leaving communities and calling themselves saving money by picking up stakes and leaving the country for cheaper labor. Moreover, for skirting the tax code and not paying taxes accordingly. A tarrif on U.S. manufacturers who resell domestically would certainly make U.S. companies think twice about leaving.
 
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Catawba said:
I am afraid I am coming down on the side of Barbarian on this one my friend, and that can't be a good thing, can it? (Just kidding Barb)

If a corporation move's jobs to a country where they take advantage of subpar wages and benefits, while leaving equally skilled workers here unemployed with few remaining manufacturing options for jobs, why should the corporations than be allowed to ship the very same products back into the US, pocketing the savings at the cost of US jobs?

Perhaps I am missing something here that you can help me with.
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Try and think about it this way. You want to buy a glass of lemonade, you can buy a cup from the boys on your side of the street for 25c and for 15c across the street. You would go across the street because it is cheaper. International trade is pretty much the same thing only on a much grandier scale. By trading with other countries we can now produce MORE things than before. China could manufacture some things with equally skilled workers for cheaper, while we could do something else for cheaper. In the end we can make more stuff than if we would try and do it all ourselves.
 
Conservative said:
There is quite a difference between a recession and a depression which apparently you don't understand. Bush was in office when the recession started in December 2007 with the Democrats in control of Congress. You really need to set your standards higher with Democrat results. 2 million fewer people employed, 3.5 trillion added to the debt, and 2.8% GDP growth isn't what most people will call a success.

You want so badly to give Obama credit which apparently means you have the same ideology as he does. that makes you the exact oppositie of the Founders and most in this Center-Right country. Obama has done more harm to this country than anything Bush ever did and the results are quite telling. Bush added 6.5 million jobs during two recessions and with 9/11. Added 4.6 trillion to the debt in 8 years which Obama will pass in 3, and generated 4.5 trillion GDP growth.
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HOoT, hoOt, fellow DPR,s behold,…two paragraphs of conservatives patented brand of dishonesty. On one side of his mouth he’s sayin that the in Dems being in control of Congress when the recession started on December 2007.Somehow, some way, the dems must be to blame for the great bush recession. While not a word out of his pie hole did he mention that the reps had control of both seats of congress, as well as the presidency, for the first six years. The very years when the seeds of the great bush recession were sown, as well as two wars (one on ginned up evidence). :(


What better way to sink an economy than two unfunded wars? Why two tax cuts.OF COURSE.What could be a better present to give your well heeled brethren to celebrate two wars?

Also notice that when our beloved hack cites these stats (Bush added 6.5 million jobs during two recessions), he conveniently leaves out the fact that he is comparing bushes eight years of incompetence, to Obamas little over two years in office. :shock:

When you compare the first two years, things start looking a bit different. For example. :roll:

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey from the BLS site… Jan of 2001= 137778… Jan of 2002= 135701.To these two slightly bloodshot eyes, that hardly looks like a gain to me.


Their it is fellow DPR,s in all of its glory,go up and take another look at his post, compacted into two, straw laden paragraphs for all to see… enjoy.:2wave:
 
iamitter said:
Nope, I'm a cold, heartless bastard in that respect.
They should be allowed because they don't pocket the savings - at least not all of them. Costs go down for consumers all over the nation. Easiest way to see this is early to mid 1800's when we had huge tariff debates that were basically like tax debates now.

If someone loses their job because someone else can do it for less, tough. They should get more education or find another way to make themselves be more employable - I have no sympathy for grunt labor. No one is born entitled to a job just because.
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Well at least you are honest about it. I tend to put country first when it comes to jobs.
 
The Prof said:
yup

housing is buckled, no shore up in sight

revenues from property taxes are miniscule

fannie and fred are looking at a half T

the muni markets are necessarily downgraded

public pensions at the state level alone are 2.5T under

medicaid is unmanageable---NOW

interest on the national debt is soon to approach 1T per

oil is exploding, food prices are becoming an international crisis

obamacare raises three quarters of a T in new "revenues," says cbo

the gao last week reported a full half T of taxpayer money just VANISHED, "most of it in the last 2 years"

the fed has obligated 2.7T of public trust in UNDIVERSIFIED junk

and we produce a jobs report that for the first time in months manages to keep up with population growth---with a few thousand to spare!

results
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I think a tax increase would straighten up about half of that laundry list…OH, oh, you forgot your link/links. Is goggle down?:(
 
drz-400 said:
Try and think about it this way. You want to buy a glass of lemonade, you can buy a cup from the boys on your side of the street for 25c and for 15c across the street. You would go across the street because it is cheaper. International trade is pretty much the same thing only on a much grandier scale. By trading with other countries we can now produce MORE things than before. China could manufacture some things with equally skilled workers for cheaper, while we could do something else for cheaper. In the end we can make more stuff than if we would try and do it all ourselves.
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But see the thing is boys on my side of the street are my brothers and they are providing income to keep our family out of debt so I choose them.
 
donc;1059332938]HOoT, hoOt, fellow DPR,s behold,…two paragraphs of conservatives patented brand of dishonesty. On one side of his mouth he’s sayin that the in Dems being in control of Congress when the recession started on December 2007.Somehow, some way, the dems must be to blame for the great bush recession. While not a word out of his pie hole did he mention that the reps had control of both seats of congress, as well as the presidency, for the first six years. The very years when the seeds of the great bush recession were sown, as well as two wars (one on ginned up evidence). :(
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so exactly what does Congress do in your world? Republicans did NOT control the Senate in 2001-2002 but did control the Congress from 2003-2006. Why don't you check out the economic growth and job creation during those 4 years? BEA.gov and BLS.gov will give you that data or do you want me to post the charts for you?

What better way to sink an economy than two unfunded wars? Why two tax cuts.OF COURSE.What could be a better present to give your well heeled brethren to celebrate two wars?
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Right, tax cuts are an expense to the govt. so suggest you send all your money and let them tell you how much you need. Two wars cost 100 billion a year for the last 10 years. 9/11 cost over a trillion dollars on one attack. We haven't been attacked again so looks like a good ROI

Also notice that when our beloved hack cites these stats (Bush added 6.5 million jobs during two recessions), he conveniently leaves out the fact that he is comparing bushes eight years of incompetence, to Obamas little over two years in office. :shock:
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Bush had 8,5 million jobs created in 2001-2007 and lost 2 million in 2008. Obama has less employed today than when he took office. Bush had a recession in 2001, 9/11 in 2001, and the recession in 2008. The Bush recession ended 6-2009 according to NBER. Facts have a strange way of making you look foolish.


When you compare the first two years, things start looking a bit different. For example. :roll:
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Looks like the electorate looked at the promises Obama made during the campaign and held him accountable on Nov. 2, 2010. How did that turn out for him?

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey from the BLS site… Jan of 2001= 137778… Jan of 2002= 135701.To these two slightly bloodshot eyes, that hardly looks like a gain to me.
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Here is what you cannot seem to understand, employment numbers for the first two years of the Bush Administration and the Obama Administration

2001 137778
2002 135701
2003 137417
2009 142221
2010 138333
2011 139323

9/11 and the recession of 2001 cost Bush 361,000 jobs

Obama has 2.9 million less people employed.


Their it is fellow DPR,s in all of its glory,go up and take another look at his post, compacted into two, straw laden paragraphs for all to see… enjoy.:2wave:
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Yep, another attempt to sell the leftwing socialist agenda of Barack Obama but the results don't fly
 
donc said:
I’m still pissed at Clinton for signing NAFTA now Obama has reaffirmed it. Bonehead move imo.
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Like a drunk who drinks expecting a different result....

Though many maybe very correct in their views to a large degree the progressive crooks still remain and continue down the path of our destruction in Washington with their bombastic manuverings of trying to help the American people by taking more away from the people without giving anything of substance in return.... All the while, we spend a lot of time conversing, organizing and protesting without violence to the best of our abilities.... Violence sucks eventhough it maybe enivitable to replenish the tree of liberty.... Scary stuff and a very scary reality...

Maybe the Tea Party should unite with the SEIU and AFL-CIO protesters, and work together to restore our Republic....

It is the environmental movement united with the Endangered species Act that did in American manufacturing and the 50 million blue collar middle class jobs over the last 50 years.

It was not the Corporations it was the EPA, OSHA, DOEnergy, and a thousand other regulating agencies that effect the supply chain for a manufacturer. You can not compete with China or India that have few restrictions and allow air pollutions that America allowed during WWII which is what made LA look like the big Chinese cities look today. Think about this, we packaged up entire factories and shipped them to Asia [China and India] because they could not meet our new pollution standards. Well that worked out real well did it not - the Chinese and Indians got the jobs - we saved some little amount of pollution and the world got a gross increase in pollution - good job Sierra Club, Greenpeace, EPA. PETA and the long list of others.

Thanks to these groups they forced the US government to put our jobs into the global re-distribution of wealth goals of the Progressives. So, now Union members tell me why you are still involved with the Democrat Progressives that killed your jobs? yes 50 million jobs just gone.

However, the environmentalist organizations are only another tooled aspect of the progressives long range global agenda moving us towards socialist/fascist world governance....

GATT, NFTA, WTO, US Chamber of Commerce to name a few anti-American/anti-Republic treaties and organizations that are responsible for the loss of sovereignty, real estate , and American owned business of various types to the progressive global elites one world governance agenda....

U.S. Chamber of Commerce Hires Private Security Firms to Sabotage and Spy

U.S. Chamber of Commerce Hires Private Security Firms to Sabotage and Spy | Mostly Water

CAFTA: Central American Free Trade Agreement

CAFTA: Central American Free Trade Agreement

NAFTA DESTROYING AMERICAS MIDDLE CLASS

NAFTA DESTROYING AMERICAS MIDDLE CLASS - Political Chips - Let YOUR Voice Be Heard

U.S. Trade Policy and Job-Destroying Treaties, WTO & NAFTA

http://www.governmentlocaljobs.org/overs...aties-wto-nafta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2VSQctjuow

I watched my dad take a beating when his company was sent overseas along with pension funds and employee investment in the company.... My dad was union president and tried to do what he could to keep decent wages and benefits.... However, in the end the workers really had no say and the plant was closed down.... I watched as a bunch of Chinese workers were sent in to dismantle the plant and send it all out....

I had the same thing happen to me at another company wherein the employees were told the company was closing in two weeks, and we had to keep up production or get fired without severence pay....

Globalization and open border policy and practice allowed the govt/corporate entities to strip away private sector union power, and ship everything overseas with our tax dollars given out to corrupt corporations by the IMF corporate welfare program....

Wal-Mart in China & Slave Labor...

Wal-Mart Dungeon in China

frontline: is wal-mart good for america?: interviews: alan tonelson | PBS

IHS Child Slave Labor News :: Wal-Mart in China

Big Box Collaborative: 23 Organizations Issue Joint Report Critiquing Wal-Mart’s Sustainability Initiatives

WALMART: TAKING DOWN AMERICA

WALMART: TAKING DOWN AMERICA | Facebook

how walmart uses all of us, abuses all of us.

Wal-Mart's Imports Lead to U.S. Jobs Exports

American Rights at Work - Anti-Union Network

Obama's Takedown of Industrial America

American Thinker: Obama's Takedown of Industrial America
 
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donc said:
I think a tax increase would straighten up about half of that laundry list…OH, oh, you forgot your link/links. Is goggle down?:(
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Yep. 5 Buck a gallon Gas. Look'n good. Who could ask for a better STATE of THE UNION? I wonder...Are all progressives so stupid they continually bury themselves to prove they know how to use a shovel? Link? Really? Simply open your front door and sniff the sweat air of the last two years of progressive dictatorship.
 
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