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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    And yet through all that rhetoric the polls show that he would beat any of your leading republican candidates in a presidential race. What does that say about your field of candidates when they are not favored to beat " a president who has made a bigger mess than a dog that ate itself silly followed it up with a kilo of Exlax and was left in the house with the doors locked. With a 9 percent unemployment rate btw."
    What it tells me is that "your" rock star President who reads a good speech has sold the people on the rhetoric instead of having them verify the accuracy of the rhetoric. Please explain to me how having 2 million fewer employed today vs. when he took office and adding 3.5 trillion to the debt is positive?
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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Let's see how you answer the following: An employee is hired to create jobs and clean up a previous employees mess. That employee spends over a trillion dollars, adds 3.5 trillion to the debt and has 2 million less business than he had when he started. Does he keep his job?

    What I love are intellectual elites spinning a 2 million reduction in employment and 3.5 trillion added to the debt as positive by using percentages to keep from focusing on real people. 2 million less PEOPLE are working today than when Obama took office. Tell me they appreciate the fact that the percentage is lower?
    Barack Obama was elected to be POTUS, he wasn't hired for anything.


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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Barack Obama was elected to be POTUS, he wasn't hired for anything.
    So Obama didn't tell the electorate that he would "clean up the mess?" Interesting how you say Obama wasn't elected to create jobs but Bush is blamed for losing jobs. Standards are so low for liberals.

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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Barack Obama was elected to be POTUS, he wasn't hired for anything.
    Yep, that explains the liberal voting criteria at its essence.

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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

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    Now for the rest of the story, since Obama has taken office over a million people per month have dropped out of the labor market. Guess that is a success to liberals.

    Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
    Original Data Value

    Series Id: LNS13000000
    Seasonally Adjusted
    Series title: (Seas) Unemployment Level
    Labor force status: Unemployed
    Type of data: Number in thousands
    Age: 16 years and over
    Years: 2000 to 2010

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    2000 5708 5858 5733 5481 5758 5651 5747 5853 5625 5534 5639 5634
    2001 6023 6089 6141 6271 6226 6484 6583 7042 7142 7694 8003 8258
    2002 8182 8215 8304 8599 8399 8393 8390 8304 8251 8307 8520 8640
    2003 8520 8618 8588 8842 8957 9266 9011 8896 8921 8732 8576 8317
    2004 8370 8167 8491 8170 8212 8286 8136 7990 7927 8061 7932 7934
    2005 7784 7980 7737 7672 7651 7524 7406 7345 7553 7453 7566 7279
    2006 7059 7185 7075 7122 6977 6998 7154 7097 6853 6728 6883 6784
    2007 7085 6898 6725 6845 6765 6966 7113 7096 7200 7273 7284 7696
    2008 7628 7435 7793 7631 8397 8560 8895 9509 9569 10172 10617 11400
    2009 11919 12714 13310 13816 14518 14721 14534 14993 15159 15612 15340 15267
    2010 14837 14871 15005 15260 14973 14623 14599 14860 14767 14843 15119 14485
    2011 13863 13673
    Discouraged workers
    2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642
    2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929
    2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209 1219 1282 1318
    2011 993 1020

    Unemployed + Discouraged
    2008 8095 7831 8194 8043 8797 8980 9356 9890 10036 10656 11225 12042
    2009 12653 13445 13995 14556 15310 15514 15330 15751 15865 16420 16201 16196
    2010 15902 16075 15999 16457 16056 15830 15784 15970 15976 16062 16401 15803
    2011 14856 14693

    Apparently 14.693 million unemployed is a success to a liberal. The only liberals touting these numbers must be the ones that are either in school or have a job.

    Since the Obama "recovery" began 20 months ago, the national unemployment rate has fallen only half a point, from 9.4 percent in July 2009 to 8.9 percent today. Contrast those anemic results with the robust job growth that occurred during the Reagan recovery in the ’80s. By the 20-month mark of the Reagan recovery, unemployment had dropped from 10.8 percent to 7.5 percent – a 3.3-point drop.
    Source: http://blog.heritage.org/2011/03/04/...eaving-behind/
    To my knowledge most economists consider 4-5% unemployment as full employment, due to various factors that keep a country from having 0% unemployment. So basically we have 100% more people unemployed than is optimal.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

    Hey Sage, I'm new to this forum so thats probably why you wont know who the hell I am, but I just wanted give some input. Although I dont agree with all of the spending Obama has done, I have to ask you the question, how do you propose we get out of this recession without raising taxes and spending? Also he came into office with the motor industry in shambles, a shaky housing market, and a stumbling economy. We were one more failed bank away from a recession. So no he has not improved the unemployment rate, but you have to give him his credit where it is due. Without his actions who knows how much worse off we would have been, also check Ronald Reagan's record, his policies worked in the short term but screwed us over in the long term, and while alienating middle and low class families, and adding to our national Dept. But lets not argue over apple's and oranges, instead lets think of solutions, what are some suggestions for improving our economy.

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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

    Quote Originally Posted by Givemethefacts View Post
    Hey Sage, I'm new to this forum so thats probably why you wont know who the hell I am, but I just wanted give some input. Although I dont agree with all of the spending Obama has done, I have to ask you the question, how do you propose we get out of this recession without raising taxes and spending? Also he came into office with the motor industry in shambles, a shaky housing market, and a stumbling economy. We were one more failed bank away from a recession. So no he has not improved the unemployment rate, but you have to give him his credit where it is due. Without his actions who knows how much worse off we would have been, also check Ronald Reagan's record, his policies worked in the short term but screwed us over in the long term, and while alienating middle and low class families, and adding to our national Dept. But lets not argue over apple's and oranges, instead lets think of solutions, what are some suggestions for improving our economy.
    Not sure who sage is but regardless please tell me where you get your information? I lived and worked during the Reagan years, did you? If you read what the left wants you to read you never will get an unbiased opinion so check out the Reagan actual results by going to bea.gov as well as bls.gov. Those are non partisan sites that capture actual data and they paint a different picture than the left wants to paint. Allowing the American people to keep more of what they earn isn't screwing anyone. Low and middle class families gave Reagan one of the largest electoral victories in history and today still hold him as one of our best Presidents.

    You can answer your own question regarding how to grow the economy with your own personal finances. If you have less take home pay because of higher taxes do you spend more or less money? If everyone's take home pay is less where is the demand for products and services to create jobs?

    As for the govt. stop buying what Obama tells you because he has yet to be right on any prediction. Obama should have focused in the private sector not the public sector and we would be creating jobs today just like Reagan created. 18 months after the Reagan recession was over unemployment had dropped from 10.8% to 7+%. Obama's has dropped a half percent. Obama bailed out unions and teachers not the private sector and our economy is based upon private sector growth.

    Reagan took office with a 900 billion dollar debt and left it at 2.6 trillion or a 1.7 trillion dollar increase. Reagan never had a Republican Congress. Obama took office with a 10.0 trillion dollar debt and in 2 years increased that to 13.6 trillion or 3.6 trillion dollars. Which debt would you prefer?

    The best solution to our problems is growing the private sector through incentives, lower the corporate tax rates, provide greater tax cuts to the American people, cut the size and scope of the Federal Govt. A good start.

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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The best solution to our problems is growing the private sector through incentives, lower the corporate tax rates, provide greater tax cuts to the American people, cut the size and scope of the Federal Govt. A good start.
    Why is more corporate welfare your answer for everything? It didn't work under Reagan or Bush...and yet you guys keep saying that this is the answer. Too funny.
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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Reagan took office with a 900 billion dollar debt and left it at 2.6 trillion or a 1.7 trillion dollar increase. Reagan never had a Republican Congress. Obama took office with a 10.0 trillion dollar debt and in 2 years increased that to 13.6 trillion or 3.6 trillion dollars. Which debt would you prefer?
    So what you are saying is Reagan tripled the deficit and Obama is on pace to double the deficit. Which of those sounds better to you?
    Last edited by Redress; 03-04-11 at 03:06 PM. Reason: debt is not the same thing as deficit, corrected.
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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So what you are saying is Reagan tripled the debt and Obama is on pace to double the debt.
    Hey, shouldn't that make Obama a conservative hero?

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