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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You do realize the war supplement and TARP came from Bush, right? You cannot blame the economy and unemployment on Obama, and then not blame TARP and the war supplements on Bush.
    How did Bush submit a war supplemental bill in June 2009 from his home in Dallas? That was Obama's surge in Afghanistan supplemental. You want so badly to prove me wrong, love it.

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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is a good example of why you should not use Op/Ed's as a source. The president writes the budget each year and submits it to congress. Congress then writes appropriation bills which go back to the president. United States Code: Title 31,1105. Budget contents and submission to Congress | LII / Legal Information Institute
    Yes, Congressman Lincoln lied. The source of the information is immaterial if it is correct... or so many on this board keep telling me.


    United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The Budget of the United States Government is the President's proposal to the U.S. Congress which recommends funding levels for the next fiscal year, beginning October 1. Congressional decisions are governed by rules and legislation regarding the federal budget process. Budget committees set spending limits for the House and Senate committees and for Appropriations subcommittees, which then approve individual appropriations bills to allocate funding to various federal programs.

    After Congress approves an appropriations bill, it is sent to the President, who may sign it into law, or may veto it. A vetoed bill is sent back to Congress, which can pass it into law with a two-thirds majority in each chamber. Congress may also combine all or some appropriations bills into an omnibus reconciliation bill. In addition, the president may request and the Congress may pass supplemental appropriations bills or emergency supplemental appropriations bills.
    Proposal.


    From yuor own link...

    (5) except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, estimated expenditures and proposed appropriations the President decides are necessary to support the Government in the fiscal year for which the budget is submitted and the 4 fiscal years after that year.
    Re-read (if you bothered to read it a first time) the linked site. It's all about information that the President submits to Congress, and 'proposed expenditures'.

    Congress, through appropriations bills, writes the actual budget.


    I guess Harkin is lying too, right Redress???
    how congress writes a budget
    Q: How does this process start off each year?

    A. The President submits a budget to Congress in early February. This lays out the President’s priorities, and includes details as to how much money he wants allocated to each federal program. The budget request also sets forth the President’s wishes with regard to reducing or raising taxes. However, the President’s proposed budget is only a recommendation. Congress has the “power of the purse.” And under the Constitution, it is Congress’s job to actually write and pass the budget.

    Q. What is the Congressional Budget Resolution?

    A. After the President submits his budget request, Congress develops its own budget. The Senate Budget Committee writes and passes a budget proposal, which is then voted on by the entire Senate. A parallel process takes place in the House. Next, members of the Senate and House Budget Committees come together to hammer out a joint Congressional Budget Resolution, which specifies how much money Congress may spend and how much revenue should be collected in the coming fiscal year. This Budget Resolution then goes to the full Senate and House to be debated and voted upon.

    Of course, I don't expect Redress to admit error.
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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

    Quote Originally Posted by Givemethefacts View Post
    I think he did say that he was going to set a Solid date for soldiers to finally leave Iraq, and as far as I know he's done that
    If not mistaken he implemented the Bush Doctrine in Iraq but he did set a hard date but the war was winding down when Obama took office. Gates was Bush's Secretary of Defense and is now Obama's

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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Partisan is what I get from liberals all the time, Bush's war? Thought Obama was going to end those wars yet asked for a 100 billion supplemental in June 2009. Bush wasn't in office. Bush also never had a 700 billion dollar defense budget but Obama does, so before you talk about funding Bush's wars, didn't he campaign on getting out of those wars?

    Bush's TARP program WASN'T in the budget because it wasn't passed until October 2008 the first month of fiscal year 2009. It was a supplemental that Obama supported.
    fact is, bush's 2009 buget asked for 70 billion for the wars, while 2008 was 200 billion. so he bush underestimated what was needed for those wars, probably purposefully, since he was leaving office. your petulance is ridiculous here, blaming the costs of bush's wars on obama. here's what's funny: a republican complaining about military spending. here's what else is funny: you claiming bush had nothing to do with tarp.

    again, you said bush wasn't responsible for the 2009 budget, when are you going to admit you were wrong?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How did Bush submit a war supplemental bill in June 2009 from his home in Dallas? That was Obama's surge in Afghanistan supplemental. You want so badly to prove me wrong, love it.
    of course it came from bush, it is bush's war.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    fact is, bush's 2009 buget asked for 70 billion for the wars, while 2008 was 200 billion. so he bush underestimated what was needed for those wars, probably purposefully, since he was leaving office. your petulance is ridiculous here, blaming the costs of bush's wars on obama. here's what's funny: a republican complaining about military spending. here's what else is funny: you claiming bush had nothing to do with tarp.

    again, you said bush wasn't responsible for the 2009 budget, when are you going to admit you were wrong?
    Where did I say he wasn't responsible for the 2009 budget? I asked you what the deficit was from that BUDGET, you diverted. TARP, the Stimulus, the June 2009 surge supplemental, the takeover of GM/Chrysler were not in those budgets so tell me how those expenditures affected the deficit?

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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

    So whats the problem, seems like a good thing to me. Bush was correct with implanting the Surge, when everyone (including myself) Disagreed with it. Props to him, and props to Obama for setting a Hard Date

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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Yes, Congressman Lincoln lied. The source of the information is immaterial if it is correct... or so many on this board keep telling me.


    United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Proposal.


    From yuor own link...


    Re-read (if you bothered to read it a first time) the linked site. It's all about information that the President submits to Congress, and 'proposed expenditures'.

    Congress, through appropriations bills, writes the actual budget.
    Congress writes appropriation bills. If you are going to correct some ones claim with something less than factual, you have no room to complain when you get corrected. Hell, your first quote with the part you bolded states that the president does in fact write the budget.
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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    of course it came from bush, it is bush's war.
    Stop making a fool of yourself

    H.R. 2346 Conference Report: Fiscal Year 2009 War Supplemental Conference Report - Legislative Digest - GOP.gov

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    Re: Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Does it matter for this thread? His budgets for the military are higher than Bush's
    Then why did you bring it up? Did Obama say he would end "those wars", or where you factually mistaken in what you where trying to show?
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